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Subject:    Re: A couple of kde-related problems
From:       George Hademenos <gpete () ev1 ! net>
Date:       1999-07-06 3:41:01
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> right on bud....that's why I use Slackware....anyway RPM is the most useless
> thing I have ever seen...it is much easier to tar up build directories and
> send the tarballs across the internet....we don't need crap like debian's or
> redhats or slackwares package managers...they just get in the way and
> confuse everything....stick with Slackware and tarballs and forget all the
> other crud that is out there....if RedHat would drop RPM and all that crap
> and let us build and install tarballs i might consider using them....but
> they clearly have designed RPM to complicate everything so as to make a
> quick buck off of idiots.






> On Sat, 03 Jul 1999, Jeremy Blosser wrote:
>
> |There's a lot more to RPM than just a handy distribution method.  If
> |distribution was all anyone cared about, .tar.gz would work fine.  RPM is
> |about keeping track of what you install and what depends on what and what
> |file belongs to which package, etc.
>
> yes, indeed. many of us are capable of figuring out what we have on
> our machines, and of employing the tools that enable us to find out
> which file belongs to what. to be at the mercy of an rpm database is
> folly indeed, imho, though of course you are free to do whatever
> works best for you. thank you for answering my question.
>
> |As for the Red Hat comment, please be careful to be honest.  As has been
> |mentioned here before, this is primarily an issue with the FSSTND, not Red
> |Hat.
>
> no, actually, it is not, your pitiful accusation of dishonesty
> notwithstanding. kde by design wants to be in /opt, despite a couple
> of early documents still on the kde server which state that the code
> goes to /usr/local, which it no longer does without user
> intervention. this will be made manifestly apparent at the end of the
> month with the release of kde-1.2, which will cause howls that will
> make those from rh-6.0 users who have tried to compile and install
> 1.1.1 seem like mewls by comparison.
>
> this from the developer list just two days ago:
>
> "As a packager, my thoughts go even beyond this simple point.
> First, the KDE 1.1.1 official RPMs work just fine on Redhat 6.0; just
> uninstall all their crap and run an install of all the files off the
> KDE FTP site -- it's been working fine for me, outside the few
> standard bugs.  If needed, you can --rebuild to get any glibc2.1
> issues worked out.
>
> "[soap box mode on]
> Now, what I disagree with is Redhat's decision to use /usr as the prefix
> for all their packages; the KDE team decided a long time ago to use
> /opt/kde, and 3rd party packagers like myself (http://kde.tdyc.com) have
> packaged dozens of apps using this same prefix and schema, keeping with
> the faith.  Now along comes 6.0 and they decide to make the KDE prefix
> something else -- what good did you just accomplish, Redhat? A
> prerelease version was shipped and now even those people can't easily
> upgrade to the new official packages. RANT RANT RANT.
>
> "On my end, I am refusing to support their /usr scheme directly.
> All my packages (well, at least most - I try) are defaulted to
> /opt/kde but can be relocated to /usr if the person wishes.  However,
> most people who contact me (and I see on the newsgroups, at a recent
> InstallFest, etc) I recommend the uninstall Redhat rpms and install
> the official stuff.  Oh look, problems solved. Humph.
> [soap box mode off]
>
> "I feel that the core packaging team stick with how they've been doing
> it, and Redhat's scheme be damned.  Who runs KDE anyway, us or them? "
>
> |Of course Red Hat could choose to ignore the [generally excepted as a good
> |standard] FSSTND -- and then they'd get bashed for not complying with
> |standards.
>
> interestingly, none of the distributions that *do* put kde in /opt
> has been bashed for it. red hat does what it does because red hat has
> an interest in promoting gnome, in much the same way that red hat
> makes microsoft-like alliances with hardware vendors to produce
> drivers and software not for linux but for red hat linux. fact is,
> red hat would sell all of linux down the river if there were an extra
> dollar to be made by so doing.
>
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