From kde Fri Apr 18 08:44:59 2014 From: Kevin Krammer Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 08:44:59 +0000 To: kde Subject: Re: [kde] What is baloo_file_extractor and why is it humping my hard drive? Message-Id: <5903092.G2Qdi1g5Oe () persephone> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde&m=139781072603122 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--===============2553270201430532765==" --===============2553270201430532765== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart5402109.cIKTiI1C0O"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --nextPart5402109.cIKTiI1C0O Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Friday, 2014-04-18, 10:27:09, O.Sinclair wrote: > On Friday 18 April 2014 9:51:21 AM Kevin Krammer wrote: > > I think it is important to consider that tags are not the only meta= data a > > file can have. > >=20 > > Quite some metadata is automatic, either inherent in the actual dat= a > > itself > > of attached as part of the storage format. > >=20 > > Music has duration, genre, artist, probably rating, etc. > > Pictures have size, timestamp, potentially geo information, also ra= ting, > > etc. > >=20 > > Tags are only one kind of information that can be associated with a= piece > > of user data. > > Dismissing a concept because one form of input isn't used is to me = a bit > > like saying there is no use for computers because nobody re-types a= ll > > their > > handwritten letters. > > As if computers could only ever be used to write text documents :) > good point and I am happy to acknowledge that I do use desktop search= > (nepomuk, now baloo) frequently. Despite the lack of tag search. >=20 > Still, why enable tagging but no tag search? No idea. My guess is that it is a lot easier to offer a universally useful taggi= ng UI=20 that application developers can easily incorporate while searching is m= ore=20 tied to the respective application's needs and needs to be done individ= ually. There was a quite interesting Google Summer of Code project last year o= n=20 providing some advanced UI pieces that application developers can use b= ut the=20 move to Baloo probably makes it necessary to at least port this before = it can=20 be provided as a general library. http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2013/StatusReports#Denis_Steckelmacher > And I still will say that the > whole desktop search actually is a "power user" thing. Does not mean= that > computers are not used instead of handwriting but that many users are= not > even aware of the "superkey" in Windows or the ALT-F2 in KDE. Global search might always be, though I've seen people use its equivale= nt OSX=20 feature. A OSV or admin could probably configure their desktop setup su= ch that=20 a search line is always present. My take on the search thing is that it will at first mostly be integrat= ed at=20 the application level, e.g. Digikam providing a specialied UI to search= for=20 photos. That might then even include tag search since photos are tradit= ionally=20 more often tagged than other stuff. > Still, to get off my ranting: > 1. there is a known bug in Baloo that sometimes creates bad disk acce= ss, > search it as I can not remember the exact cause > 2. in my opinion Baloo is a far better concept than Nepomuk > 3. I do not agree on the "simplified" kcm, I liked the old one better= I am expecting this to change in newer releases. There was quite some=20= discontent with the current interface on a developer list so I am somew= hat=20 assuming that this will be looked at by a usability person at some poin= t,=20 probably this year's Akademy. > 4. and I think semantic search should be disabled for the user to ena= ble by > default, not the other way around I think the indexing should be disabled by default but not the search i= tself. That way it can be used in applications instead of each developer rolli= ng=20 their own but not having something go off an unannounced. File indexing could then be offered when a user starts searching e.g. i= n=20 Dolphin. Cheers, Kevin =2D-=20 Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring --nextPart5402109.cIKTiI1C0O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBTUOYQnKMhG6pzZJIRAss4AJ9DVqxbyHd6i8gzzgW8Z6jX8/nt0gCfcfCc VjOA7F9pc49DaekTRIScI40= =bN/6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart5402109.cIKTiI1C0O-- --===============2553270201430532765== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. --===============2553270201430532765==--