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Subject: Re: [kde] What is baloo_file_extractor and why is it humping my hard drive?
From: "O.Sinclair" <sinclair () orionweb ! info>
Date: 2014-04-18 7:09:11
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On Friday 18 April 2014 2:55:17 AM Duncan wrote:
> Thomas Tanghus posted on Fri, 18 Apr 2014 02:24:05 +0200 as excerpted:
> > On Thursday 17 April 2014 21:07 Luiz Felipe Talvik wrote:
> >> It is KDE's new file indexer.
> >> In yours installation you seem to have the old settings interface and
> >> the new file indexer. I've upgraded to 4.13 in Kubuntu and the Nepomuk
> >> search settings was replaced.
> >>
> >> You can disable baloo editing: "~/.kde/share/config/baloofilerc"
> >> Change "Indexing-Enabled=false" to "Indexing-Enabled=true"
> >
> > That sound a bit counter-intuitive? Isn't it the other way around?
>
> As a kde4-live-development-head tester that has been following baloo both
> in the news and in the git commits, I can confirm that baloo did indeed
> replace nepomuk. Formerly named nepomuk2, the PR says it's faster and
> more efficient than nepomuk was, and I believe PR is also part of the
> reason for the rename, baloo from nepomuk2, as well, in part because
> nepomuk already had such a bad name among some users.
>
> Meanwhile, for my own kde installation, as I run gentoo I can and have
> set USE=-semantic-desktop, and turned off a few related flags as well.
> Thus, on my system it's not only disabled at run-time, but is also
> disabled at build time, and none of the group akonadi, mysql/mariadb,
> virtuoso, rasqual, redland, nepomuk, are installed on my system. Strigi
> is still installed as some of its headers are required to build bits of
> kde4 even with semantic-desktop build-time disabled as far as possible,
> but without a backend to work with at either build-time or run-time, it's
> pretty well neutered, little more than build-time headers for stub-
> functions that will never do anything at runtime anyway, without a backend
> to work with.
>
> The PR around kde5/frameworks is that it's rather more modular than kde4,
> which hopefully means I can continue build-time-disabling semantic-
> desktop in kde-frameworks-5, as well. One of these days I'll probably
> install the plasma2-live WIP, about the only actual kde5-based apps yet
> available, and see how it's coming... (The main reason I haven't done so
> yet is time. This week was originally supposed to be a light week at
> work and I was hoping... but now I'm doing 10 hour days and am headed for
> overtime again. OTOH my bank account's not complaining...)
to get back to baloo replacing Nepomuk: there is a known bug where some get
disk access problems.
Otherwise it seems that is far less resouce-chewing and in many ways "*nix" in
KISS rather than what, from an outsider perspective, seemed to be a slightly
overambitious approach to search abilities.
to me it boils down to: who in the name of all possible higher powers do
really sit and "tag" their files? So far I know noone who does and that
includes me.
why: usercase. Let me use my dearly beloved wife. She throws everything she
likes on the "desktop" (a kubuntu user) and then use either Dolphin, Digikam
or a music player (normally Clementine) to find what she has saved/downloaded.
She does not use tags, has actually never heard of the concept, does not have
desktop search switched on (my decision) as she never uses/used it in any
case.
And she is not unique, she is actually a very normal user.
Given that in Dolphin I can still not find a way to search for tagged files
without writing some cryptic "baloosearch" line, yea that would make my wife
or sons go ecstatic.
This turned into a rant, when I was actually meaning to say that baloo seems
way better than nepomuk. Still there are many improvements in practical use to
be made and one would be a "tag searcher" in Dolpin if tags are ever going to
be useful.
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-qt-user-state:0;">On Friday 18 April 2014 2:55:17 AM Duncan wrote:</p> <p style=" \
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-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Thomas Tanghus posted on \
Fri, 18 Apr 2014 02:24:05 +0200 as excerpted:</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > On Thursday 17 April 2014 21:07 Luiz \
Felipe Talvik wrote:</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> >> It is KDE's new file indexer.</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >> In yours \
installation you seem to have the old settings interface and</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >> the new file \
indexer. I've upgraded to 4.13 in Kubuntu and the Nepomuk</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >> search settings \
was replaced.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
>> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
>> You can disable baloo editing: \
"~/.kde/share/config/baloofilerc"</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >> Change \
"Indexing-Enabled=false" to "Indexing-Enabled=true"</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > That sound a bit \
counter-intuitive? Isn't it the other way around?</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> As a kde4-live-development-head tester that \
has been following baloo both</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> in the news and in the git commits, I can confirm that baloo \
did indeed</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
replace nepomuk. Formerly named nepomuk2, the PR says it's faster and</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> more efficient than \
nepomuk was, and I believe PR is also part of the</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> reason for the rename, baloo from nepomuk2, \
as well, in part because</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> nepomuk already had such a bad name among some users.</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Meanwhile, for my own \
kde installation, as I run gentoo I can and have</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> set USE=-semantic-desktop, and turned off a \
few related flags as well.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> Thus, on my system it's not only disabled at run-time, but is \
also</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
disabled at build time, and none of the group akonadi, mysql/mariadb,</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> virtuoso, rasqual, \
redland, nepomuk, are installed on my system. Strigi</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> is still installed as some of its headers \
are required to build bits of</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> kde4 even with semantic-desktop build-time disabled as far as \
possible,</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> but \
without a backend to work with at either build-time or run-time, it's</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> pretty well neutered, \
little more than build-time headers for stub-</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> functions that will never do anything at \
runtime anyway, without a backend</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> to work with.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> The PR around kde5/frameworks is that it's \
rather more modular than kde4,</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> which hopefully means I can continue build-time-disabling \
semantic-</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
desktop in kde-frameworks-5, as well. One of these days I'll probably</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> install the plasma2-live \
WIP, about the only actual kde5-based apps yet</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> available, and see how it's coming... (The \
main reason I haven't done so</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> yet is time. This week was originally supposed to be a light \
week at</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> work \
and I was hoping... but now I'm doing 10 hour days and am headed for</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> overtime again. OTOH my \
bank account's not complaining...)</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;"><br />to get back to baloo replacing Nepomuk: there is a known bug \
where some get disk access problems.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Otherwise it seems that is far less \
resouce-chewing and in many ways "*nix" in KISS rather than what, from an \
outsider perspective, seemed to be a slightly overambitious approach to search \
abilities.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">to me it boils down to: who \
in the name of all possible higher powers do really sit and "tag" their \
files? So far I know noone who does and that includes me.</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">why: usercase. Let me use my \
dearly beloved wife. She throws everything she likes on the "desktop" (a \
kubuntu user) and then use either Dolphin, Digikam or a music player (normally \
Clementine) to find what she has saved/downloaded. She does not use tags, has \
actually never heard of the concept, does not have desktop search switched on (my \
decision) as she never uses/used it in any case.</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And she is not unique, she is \
actually a very normal user.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">Given that in Dolphin I can still not find a way to search for \
tagged files without writing some cryptic "baloosearch" line, yea that \
would make my wife or sons go ecstatic. </p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This turned into a rant, when I was actually \
meaning to say that baloo seems way better than nepomuk. Still there are many \
improvements in practical use to be made and one would be a "tag searcher" \
in Dolpin if tags are ever going to be useful.</p></body></html>
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