Esben Mose Hansen wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Monday 14 June 2004 07:10, Andreas Pour wrote: > > > Gavin Hamill wrote: > > As to the latest HTML, 4.01, it is not at all true that using ALT in a > > popup is incorrect. See > > http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#alternate-text and compare > > to http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#title . > > First, be aware that the same question caused a somewhat large debate on the > Mozilla newsgroups. One might have a look there for additional arguments. The > result, as you note, was not to display alt-tags. The key phrase, as remember > was this: > > > Several non-textual elements (IMG, AREA, APPLET, and INPUT) let authors > specify alternate text to serve as content when the element cannot be > rendered normally > > > Note the "when cannot be rendered normally". This precludes using ALT-tags for > mouse-over in any reasonable interpretation of the standard. Just so that is > clear. Specifying one use for an item does not preclude other uses. In fact, if you read the sentence following the one you quote, it goes into more detail and lists a number of uses, including "those who have configured their graphical user agents not to display images" followed by "*etc.*". "Etc." means, and other reasons. Beyond that the question is a practical one: does showing the ALT attribute in a tooltip help the user when no TITLE attribute is present? In my case, yes, I find that info very useful. There is of course a conceptual difference b/w the two attributes: the TITLE attribute assumes the person sees the image and the ALT attribute assumes the opposite. Thus the TITLE attribute can often be much simpler than the ALT attribute, in the rare event that someone is ambitious enough to care about this. But still there are many cases where the ALT and TITLE would still remain the same (e.g., for icons and logos). > The big question is: Should a browser do it anyways? That question is no. Try > contacting Ian Hixie from the Mozilla QA team for a nice chat about this. > Besides (I believe) sitting on the w3.org group that drafts these standards, > he is a real capacity in these areas. When I did, he conjured up example > after example of webauthour that errornously put the same text in the alt and > title tags, which he then convinced me was near-unreadable. But try him, I > could never explain this as he can. I read his FAQ (http://www.hixie.ch/advocacy/alttext) and still don't agree with it. I think his ideas would make more sense if people spent hours labeling each image on a website, but I don't think that will ever happen - in other words, it suffers the typical problem of a lot of theory and "shoulds" and so but a lack of realism and practicality. Again, if a web author takes the time to care about the difference, the author can use both attributes. I am only considering the case where the author has provided an ALT attribute and no TITLE attribute. This is orthoganol to the question of how a web author should complete them. Ciao, Dre -- Democracy . . . not only demands the right but imposes the responsibility of thinking for ourselves. For in the last analysis, all tyranny rests on fraud, on getting someone to accept false assumptions, and any man who for one moment abandons or suspends the questioning spirit has for that moment betrayed humanity. -- Bergen Evans, "A Tale of a Tub" (1946) ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.