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From: "Joe Soricelli" <jms () juniper ! net>
Date: 2003-02-27 15:23:49
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<Disclaimer>
I have a bit of a biased opinion here! ;-)
</Disclaimer>

> > This book however seems to be a step away from the norm - which is quite \
> > refreshing. 
Thanks. We tried to make this an excellent reference book as well as cover all of the \
information you need for the JNCIA exam.  
> > At the front of the book is a detachable pull-out study guide which recommends \
> > reading certain chapters for different parts of the >>exam, i.e. a hint at what \
> > you will be tested on maybe ????
An interesting and quite insightful comment!! ;-)

> > On the whole I am impressed with the book, but give me a little more time and \
> > I'll come back and tell you more.
Well, thanks. I hope that your good impressions continue throughout the entire book.

> > (can seem to get the JNCIS yet..................)
Jeez, give me some time!

On a serious note, let me say a few words about the study guide series. While all \
four of the books (JNCIS and JNCIE are coming!) work together as a set, they can also \
be split into two groups.   
The JNCIA/JNCIS books cover the written exams and contain the background, history, \
theories, packet formats, configuration knobs, etc. for all of the protocols and \
features supported in the JUNOS software. Like the exams themselves, the JNCIA book \
covers the basics of each topic, while the JNCIS covers many of the same topics from \
an advanced viewpoint (it also has some additional topics not covered in the JNCIA \
book). The network maps and configuration examples in these two books are shown only \
to the extent of illustrating a specific function or aspect of a protocol.  
The JNCIP/JNCIE books cover the hands-on exams and contain complex examples of the \
protocols interacting with each other. Complete configurations and maps are included \
to aid your development and troubleshooting. In a way, these books can be used to \
"practice" when you have little or no time on real equipment.  
So, I hope that you enjoy the read and find the information useful. While it isn't \
finished yet, I'm still planning on using the www.corerouting.net website (my site - \
not affiliated /w Sybex) as a clearinghouse for known errata, resource center (maybe \
full configuration examples), and a way to contact the authors.  
Thanks,
Joe Soricelli

	 -----Original Message-----
	From: Neil Stirling [mailto:neil.stirling@nortelnetworks.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:44 AM
	To: 'Umar Ahmed'; Aviva Garrett; Joshua Smith
	Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
	Subject: RE: [j-nsp] juniper books 

	Hi, 

	I'm gearing up for the JNCIA/S exams, so have just bought the JNCIA book. 
	In addition, I have the Complete reference too. 

	As a history thing, I haven't been that impressed with Sybex revision books - mainly \
from a Cisco perspective.   This book however seems to be a step away from the norm - \
which is quite refreshing. 

	A CD is included (like all the similar Cisco Press books for CCNA/CCDA/CCNP/CCDP). 
	You get flash cards, 100's of exam questions, study guides, a palm/pocketPC revision \
app & the bonus of a pdf covering the entire book (aka Cisco) !

	At the front of the book is a detachable pull-out study guide which recommends \
reading certain chapters for different parts of the exam, i.e. a hint at what you \
will be tested on maybe ????

	Book is split into sections (naturally) which run through the following; 

	Chapter 1: The Components of a Juniper Networks Router 
	Chapter 2: Interfaces 
	Chapter 3: Protocol-Independent Routing 
	Chapter 4: Routing Policy 
	Chapter 5: The Routing Information Protocol (RIP) 
	Chapter 6: Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) 
	Chapter 7: Intermediate System to Intermediate System (IS-IS) 
	Chapter 8: Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) 
	Chapter 9: Multicast 
	Chapter 10: Firewall Filters 
	Chapter 11: Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) 

	Differences between the JNCIA and the Complete ref are; 

	JNCIA has multicast. 
	JNCIA has CD. 
	Complete ref has a lot more about the 'boxes'. 
	Complete ref has intro to VPN (but not much). 
	Complete ref is a lot heavier. 
	Complete ref has more configuration examples. 

	If you're thinking of revising (and if you haven't got the complete ref) then this \
is the book to go for.   Combine this with Routing TCP/IP, a glance through the most \
excellent Juniper tech pdf's, hands-on the box and the Boson software exam guides \
(http://www.boson.com/tests/juniper.htm - VERY good) and you should breeze through..

	On the whole I am impressed with the book, but give me a little more time and I'll \
come back and tell you more.   I'm also reading the Multicast book for Cisco & \
Juniper, boy I know how to have fun ! 

	Oh, and if you are in the UK/Europe then its listed on Amazon today at Ł26.59, a \
steal.   Alternatively there is a deal for JNCIA & JNCIP for Ł66.12. 
	(can seem to get the JNCIS yet..................) 

	Neil. 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Umar Ahmed [mailto:Umar.Ahmed@equinoxsolutions.com] 
	Sent: 27 February 2003 08:34 
	To: 'Aviva Garrett'; Joshua Smith 
	Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net 
	Subject: RE: [j-nsp] juniper books 

	Hi all, 

	I've had a cheeky sneak peak at the JNCIP book in early February and it 
	reads very well. Unfortunately I only had a few minutes to browse through a 
	few chapters, but it seems like Harry Reynolds (author) has done a great job 
	showing practical examples with real life lab scenarios. Not only does he 
	explain how the configuration should be created, but also shows what you 
	"should" and should not expect the boxes to do. This will undoubtedly help 
	those of us who need a refresher of how protocols work and are configured, 
	as well as helping towards obtaining the JNCIP accreditation. 

	Regards, 

	Umar. 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Aviva Garrett [mailto:aviva@juniper.net] 
	Sent: 26 February 2003 21:39 
	To: Joshua Smith 
	Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net; aviva@juniper.net 
	Subject: Re: [j-nsp] juniper books 

	Hi Joshua, 

	The field guide and reference is a condensation of the JUNOS, M-series, 
	and T-series from about 9000 pages into 900 pages. This might provided a 
	good overview, but we lifted almost all the text straight from the 
	product documentation, reorganizing or reformatting some of it. 

	We (Juniper book publishing team) reviewed drafts of the Juniper and 
	Cisco routing book, and didn't think much of it. But Addison-Wesley 
	published it anyway. Maybe someone else can give you comments on this 
	book. 

	If the third book is the complete reference, this is a good overview of 
	JUNOS software written by a number of Juniper training and professional 
	services folks. 

	The certification books were just released in the last week or two, so 
	that's probably why there are no reviews. I've only glanced at them, and 
	they are specifically geared towards the categories of questions on the 
	JNCIA and JNCIP exams. This means that they are probably very good 
	product overviews. 

	We (Juniper) haven't really gotten any multivendor (JUNOS and IOS) 
	books published yet. For information about what we're doing, see 
	http://www.juniper.net/training/jnbooks/index.html 

	Thanks, 
	..Aviva 

	-------------------------------- 
	Aviva Garrett 
	Director, Technical Publications 
	Juniper Networks, Inc. 
	(408) 745-2077 

	In message <576HBZuEx3312S03.1046291449@uwdvg003.cms.usa.net>you write: 
	> hello all, 
	> 
	> my employer is planning on the purchase of some juniper routers 
	> (m20's specifically) and i am looking for suggestions on good 
	> books to read (in addition to the docs on their website).  i come 
	> from a cisco background and have only minimal knowledge of the 
	> hows/whys of juniper (but am looking forward to learning). 
	> 
	> some that looked promising on amazon were: 
	> 
	> juniper networks field guide and reference 
	> juniper and cisco routing: policy & protocols for multivendor networks 
	> juniper networks reference guide: junos routing, config, & architecture 
	> 
	> the jncia/jncip books look interesting too, but there were no reviews.... 
	> 
	> thanks 
	> 
	> joshua 
	> 
	> 
	> "Walk with me through the Universe, 
	>  And along the way see how all of us are Connected. 
	>  Feast the eyes of your Soul, 
	>  On the Love that abounds. 
	>  In all places at once, seemingly endless, 
	>  Like your own existence." 
	>      - Stephen Hawking - 
	> 
	> 
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<DIV>&lt;Disclaimer&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>I have a bit 
of a biased opinion here! ;-)</DIV>
<DIV>&lt;/Disclaimer&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;&gt;This book however seems 
to be a step away from the norm - which is quite refreshing. 
</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks. We 
tried to make this an excellent reference book as well as cover all of the 
information you need for the JNCIA exam.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;&gt;At the front of the 
book is a detachable pull-out study guide which recommends reading certain 
chapters for different parts of the &gt;&gt;exam, i.e. a hint at what you will 
be tested on maybe ????</DIV>
<DIV>An 
interesting and quite insightful comment!! ;-)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;&gt;On the whole I am 
impressed with the book, but give me a little more time and I'll come back and 
tell you more.</DIV>
<DIV>Well, 
thanks. I hope that your good impressions continue throughout the entire 
book.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;&gt;(can seem to get the 
JNCIS yet..................)</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Jeez, give 
me some time!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>On a serious note, let me say a few words 
about the study guide series. While all four of the books (JNCIS and JNCIE are 
coming!) work together as a set, they can also be split into two groups. 
</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The JNCIA/JNCIS books cover the written 
exams and contain the background, history, theories, packet formats, 
configuration knobs, etc. for all of the protocols and features supported in the 
JUNOS software. Like the exams themselves, the JNCIA book covers the basics of 
each topic, while the JNCIS covers many of the same topics from an advanced 
viewpoint (it also has some additional topics not covered in the JNCIA book). 
The network maps and configuration examples in these two books are shown only to 
the extent of illustrating a specific function or aspect of a 
protocol.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The JNCIP/JNCIE books cover the hands-on 
exams and contain complex examples of the protocols interacting with each other. 
Complete configurations and maps are included to aid your development and 
troubleshooting. In a way, these books can be used to "practice" when you have 
little or no time on real equipment.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>So, I hope that you enjoy the read and find 
the information useful. While it isn't finished yet, I'm still planning on using 
the <A href="http://www.corerouting.net">www.corerouting.net</A> website (my 
site - not affiliated /w Sybex) as a clearinghouse for known errata, resource 
center (maybe full configuration examples), and a way to contact the 
authors.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Joe 
Soricelli</DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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align=left>&nbsp;-----Original 
 Message----- From: Neil Stirling 
 [mailto:neil.stirling@nortelnetworks.com] Sent: Thursday, February 
 27, 2003 4:44 AM To: 'Umar Ahmed'; Aviva Garrett; Joshua 
 Smith Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: RE: [j-nsp] 
 juniper books </DIV>
 Hi, 
 I'm gearing up for the JNCIA/S exams, so have just bought the 
 JNCIA book. In addition, I have the Complete reference 
 too. 
 As a history thing, I haven't been that impressed with Sybex 
 revision books - mainly from a Cisco perspective. This 
 book however seems to be a step away from the norm - which is quite 
 refreshing. 
 A CD is included (like all the similar Cisco Press books for 
 CCNA/CCDA/CCNP/CCDP). You get flash cards, 100's of 
 exam questions, study guides, a palm/pocketPC revision app &amp; the bonus of 
 a pdf covering the entire book (aka Cisco) !
 At the front of the book is a detachable pull-out study guide 
 which recommends reading certain chapters for different parts of the exam, 
 i.e. a hint at what you will be tested on maybe ????
 Book is split into sections (naturally) which run through the 
 following; 
 Chapter 1: The Components of a Juniper Networks Router 
 Chapter 2: Interfaces Chapter 3: 
 Protocol-Independent Routing Chapter 4: Routing 
 Policy Chapter 5: The Routing Information Protocol 
 (RIP) Chapter 6: Open Shortest Path First 
 (OSPF) Chapter 7: Intermediate System to Intermediate 
 System (IS-IS) Chapter 8: Border Gateway Protocol 
 (BGP) Chapter 9: Multicast Chapter 10: Firewall Filters Chapter 11: 
 Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) 
 Differences between the JNCIA and the Complete ref are; 
 
 JNCIA has multicast. JNCIA has 
 CD. Complete ref has a lot more about the 
 'boxes'. Complete ref has intro to VPN (but not 
 much). Complete ref is a lot heavier. Complete ref has more configuration examples. 
 If you're thinking of revising (and if you haven't got the 
 complete ref) then this is the book to go for. Combine 
 this with Routing TCP/IP, a glance through the most excellent Juniper tech 
 pdf's, hands-on the box and the Boson software exam guides (<A 
 href="http://www.boson.com/tests/juniper.htm" 
 target=_blank>http://www.boson.com/tests/juniper.htm</A> - VERY good) and you 
 should breeze through.. 
 On the whole I am impressed with the book, but give me a 
 little more time and I'll come back and tell you more. I'm also reading the Multicast book for Cisco &amp; Juniper, boy I know 
 how to have fun ! 
 Oh, and if you are in the UK/Europe then its listed on Amazon 
 today at Ł26.59, a steal. Alternatively there is a 
 deal for JNCIA &amp; JNCIP for Ł66.12. (can seem to 
 get the JNCIS yet..................) 
 Neil. 
 -----Original Message----- From: Umar 
 Ahmed [<A 
 href="mailto:Umar.Ahmed@equinoxsolutions.com">mailto:Umar.Ahmed@equinoxsolutions.com</A>] \
 Sent: 27 February 2003 08:34 To: 
 'Aviva Garrett'; Joshua Smith Cc: 
 juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: RE: [j-nsp] 
 juniper books 
 Hi all, 
 I've had a cheeky sneak peak at the JNCIP book in early 
 February and it reads very well. Unfortunately I only 
 had a few minutes to browse through a few chapters, 
 but it seems like Harry Reynolds (author) has done a great job 
 showing practical examples with real life lab scenarios. Not 
 only does he explain how the configuration should be 
 created, but also shows what you "should" and should 
 not expect the boxes to do. This will undoubtedly help those of us who need a refresher of how protocols work and are 
 configured, as well as helping towards obtaining the 
 JNCIP accreditation. 
 Regards, 
 Umar. 
 -----Original Message----- From: Aviva 
 Garrett [<A 
 href="mailto:aviva@juniper.net">mailto:aviva@juniper.net</A>] Sent: 26 February 2003 21:39 To: Joshua 
 Smith Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net; 
 aviva@juniper.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] juniper books 
 
 Hi Joshua, 
 The field guide and reference is a condensation of the JUNOS, 
 M-series, and T-series from about 9000 pages into 900 
 pages. This might provided a good overview, but we 
 lifted almost all the text straight from the product 
 documentation, reorganizing or reformatting some of it. 
 We (Juniper book publishing team) reviewed drafts of the 
 Juniper and Cisco routing book, and didn't think much 
 of it. But Addison-Wesley published it anyway. Maybe 
 someone else can give you comments on this book. 
 If the third book is the complete reference, this is a good 
 overview of JUNOS software written by a number of 
 Juniper training and professional services 
 folks. 
 The certification books were just released in the last week or 
 two, so that's probably why there are no reviews. I've 
 only glanced at them, and they are specifically geared 
 towards the categories of questions on the JNCIA and 
 JNCIP exams. This means that they are probably very good product overviews. 
 We (Juniper) haven't really gotten any multivendor (JUNOS and 
 IOS) books published yet. For information about what 
 we're doing, see <A 
 href="http://www.juniper.net/training/jnbooks/index.html" 
 target=_blank>http://www.juniper.net/training/jnbooks/index.html</A> 
 
 Thanks, ..Aviva 
 -------------------------------- Aviva 
 Garrett Director, Technical Publications 
 Juniper Networks, Inc. (408) 
 745-2077 
 In message 
 &lt;576HBZuEx3312S03.1046291449@uwdvg003.cms.usa.net&gt;you write: 
 &gt; hello all, &gt; &gt; my employer is planning on the purchase of some juniper routers 
 &gt; (m20's specifically) and i am looking for 
 suggestions on good &gt; books to read (in addition to 
 the docs on their website).&nbsp; i come &gt; from a 
 cisco background and have only minimal knowledge of the &gt; hows/whys of juniper (but am looking forward to learning). 
 &gt; &gt; some that looked promising 
 on amazon were: &gt; &gt; 
 juniper networks field guide and reference &gt; 
 juniper and cisco routing: policy &amp; protocols for multivendor 
 networks &gt; juniper networks reference guide: junos 
 routing, config, &amp; architecture &gt; 
 &gt; the jncia/jncip books look interesting too, but 
 there were no reviews.... &gt; &gt; thanks &gt; &gt; 
 joshua &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; "Walk with me through the Universe, 
 &gt;&nbsp; And along the way see how all of us are 
 Connected. &gt;&nbsp; Feast the eyes of your 
 Soul, &gt;&nbsp; On the Love that abounds. 
 &gt;&nbsp; In all places at once, seemingly endless, 
 &gt;&nbsp; Like your own existence." &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Stephen Hawking - &gt; &gt; &gt; 
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