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List:       jetspeed-user
Subject:    Re: What's the relationship between JetSpeed - Cocoon -..
From:       "Frans Thamura" <fth4mura () yahoo ! com>
Date:       2001-12-19 3:04:10
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but there is a cocoon portlet in the jetspeed CVS, but has been a while no
one update it.. the version still 1.3a1..

and it is cocoon 1.82, but the cocoon 2, cannot run together...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Martin" <RayMartin@aci-hq.com>
To: "'Jetspeed Users List'" <jetspeed-user@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 3:47 AM
Subject: RE: What's the relationship between JetSpeed - Cocoon -..


> Mr Spencer,
> Yes, I understand that Cocoon and Jetspeed are not integrated "straight
out
> of the box"
>
> I meant that for right now one chooses to go the Turbine/Velocity path
> (with Jetspeed right in there) or chooses the Cocoon path - that is what i
> meant by an "alternative".  I surely did not wish to insinuate that
> Turbine/Velocity or Cocoon could alternatively be used with Jetspeed.
>  Sorry about the confusion.
>
> I did not ask the question.  Mr Munis asked the question.  He asked a
> question that plays on everyone's mind when they enter the
> jakarta.apache.org site - what is all of this great stuff?  how can it
best
> be put to use?
>
> No one will ever find the answers to those questions in the mail list in a
> single lifetime.  The documentation (which the developers AND anyone who
> uses the open source products are responsible to create and maintain) is
> the source for gaining insight into the products.
>
> I certainly agree with you that some of us ask such open-ended question
> that you would need to waste a great deal of time and energy to answer -
> and that is just plain asking TOO much.  We need to word our questions
> better and look for previously answered questions.
>
> i am looking forward to the day when i have learned enough that i can
> contribute,
> Ray
>
> ----------
> From: Paul Spencer[SMTP:paulsp@apache.org]
> Reply To: Jetspeed Users List
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 2:35 PM
> To: Jetspeed Users List
> Subject: Re: What's the relationship between JetSpeed - Cocoon -..
>
> Ray,
> Jetspeed directly uses Velocity and JSP for layout and content
> generation.  Turbine, ECS, Log4J, are also used by Jetspeed.  Currently
> it does NOT use Cocoon!  Their has been interest in a Cocoon portlet for
> a while, but it as not be implemented.  Implementing a Cocoon portlet is
>   on the ToDo list.
>
>  > Cocoon is an alternative to Turbine/Velocity.
> Not in Jetspeed!
>
> As to my "poor answer".  I did not have the time to do the research need
> to answer your question, but I knew it had been asked and answered
> before and the answers where in the mailing list.  I view the mailing
> list a valuable resource that should be utilized.
>
> Paul Spencer
>
> Ray Martin wrote:
>
> > that sure is a poor answer.  you can search yur head off in the mailing
> > list and know no more than you did before.
> >
> > i believe the answer to the question is very complex and therefore very
> > time consuming to answer - but, no answer is better than "go look in the
> > mailing list"
> >
> > You will probably need to spend quite a bit of time studying the various
> > products to understand their uses and relationships.  But, here is a
tiny
> > summary from my studies:
> > Jetspeed uses Turbine and ECS
> > Turbine uses Velocity, therefore, Jetspeed uses Velocity (though JSP is
> > also an option)
> > Cocoon is an alternative to Turbine/Velocity.
> > Cocoon is based on Avalon - none of the other products are based on
> Avalon
> > (this will cause the  products to appear to be diametrically opposed)
> > I have not familiarized myself with Struts - can't comment (it appears
to
> > be a framework in "competition" with Turbine).
> > Don't forget that Turbine uses Torque for database activity.
> >
> > each product has their strengths and weaknesses.
> >
> > note that Avalon represents the "best of thinking" that i have come
> across.
> >
> > my personal goal for my projects is to use Jetspeed (which includes all
> the
> > underpinnings) combined with Cocoon for complex presentation events -
the
> > Pipeline component of Cocoon. i think i want Cocoon pipelines available
> in
> > Jetspeed portals - this is where i am designing to - hopefully i don't
> fall
> > flat on my face...
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > ----------
> > From: Paul Spencer[SMTP:paulsp@apache.org]
> > Reply To: Jetspeed Users List
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:55 PM
> > To: Jetspeed Users List
> > Subject: Re: What's the relationship between JetSpeed - Cocoon -..
> >
> > This question has been asked and answered many times.
> > Search the mailing list, http://www.mail-archive.com.
> >
> > Paul Spencer
> >
> >
> > Patrick Munis wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I am new to Jetspeed and most Jakarta software. What's the relationship
> >>between JetSpeed - Cocoon -Velocity- Turbine - Struts -ECS. Can they be
> >>used together in a project?For example, Can I use cocoon's  xsp in
> >>Jetspeed?  Are they competing technologies. I'll appreciate any
> >>explanations.
> >>
> >>thanks
> >>Patrick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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