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Subject:    RE: Networking Question: (BRIAN, BS, This is probably for you. :)
From:       "Pat Patterson" <bigdog () net-magic ! net>
Date:       2001-08-31 14:13:46
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Moore [mailto:christophor@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:43 AM
To: jaxlug-list@jaxlug.org
Subject: Re: Networking Question: (BRIAN, BS, This is probably for you.
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Chris Moore
christophor@hotmail.com

>From: Bryan-TheBS-Smith <b.j.smith@ieee.org>
>Reply-To: jaxlug-list@jaxlug.org
>To: jaxlug-list@jaxlug.org
>Subject: Re: Networking Question: (BRIAN, BS, This is probably for you. :)
>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:03:55 -0400
>
>Art Wildman wrote:
> > Chris, I know little of Win2k AD services... but will need to learn some
>too. So
> > I would appreciate you sharing any comparisons and lessons learned with
>us. I
> > don't consider myself a zealot of any technology. Like Sean pointed out
>I have a
> > few old copies of OS/2 WARP laying around too. We've got to stay
>open-minded,
> > open source is not nirvana. If MS-AD is indeed the best "tool" for the
>job, I'll
> > deploy it... I won't like it much because, I've been bitten by
>proprietary
> > solutions from companies too big to care about their customers before. I
>just
> > want to make sure there aren't any other "open" options I've overlooked
>first!
>
>I think my (and note I said "my" ;-) biggest problem with Microsoft
>is lack of flexibility.  When one installs an NT 4.0 server, it
>_must_ be designated either standalone or a domain server.  If you
>want to switch -- too bad!  You must re-install.  Of course Samba
>can switch on a toggle of a setting, but that would be too easy for
>Microsoft to allow.  For those of us who learned to weild Samba, we
>ended up just tying all our standalone NT servers together with a
>Samba server or two on the backbone.
>
>And now we have MS-AD.  For those considering moving from the NT 4.0
>PDC domaining model to MS-AD, the transition is virtual impossible.
>Most networks that have spend hundreds of man hours creating NT 4.0
>networks have to chuck all their efforts and start "clean" with a
>MS-AD setup.  Again, the transitioning tools are virtually nil, so
>most enterprises end up being two new Win2K servers for AD, and
>slowly transitioning over -- with a _lot_ of manual entry (although
>I heard some people are working on some Perl modules).
>
>This was the same issue with LAN Manager to NT.  And most other
>components and services Microsoft products is not geared towards
>upgrading, but time-consuming replacement.  At least with UNIX, flat
>config files and scripts make it much easier to transistion, let
>alone there is a wealth of script/tool sharing amongs sysadmins to
>accomplish a goal.  Not some half-way broken utility on some
>unsupported "Resource Kit."  Again, I used to thank God for
>ActivePerl and CPAN at times when dealing with NT -- but the cost of
>researching and developing these tools may the TCO of NT much
>greater.
>
>So I truly hope MS-AD is the first network service that is not
>longer "replaced" with something better, but now "upgraded" from
>version to version.  I truly hope so.  But if my Microsoft history
>serves me right, this would conflict with the forced upgrade cycle,
>and that would be an issue to profits.  This is something that the
>upper management of Microsoft could not tolerate, and it has been my
>continuing experience that something like technical compatibility
>and/or reasoning cannot stand in the way of that -- NO JOKE!
>Although the light *MAY* be at the end of the tunnel for MS
>sysadmins.  Because yearly software rental may actually remove this
>non-technical BS decision making.  I mean, if users are forced to
>pay for upgrades, then there would be no reason to break things with
>upgrades, right?
>
>Yes, Microsoft innovation has reached the point where maybe their
>own profit model does not ream their local sysadmins up the rear.
>Because that's what sent me back packing to UNIX in the first place,
>as Linux offered more and more than Windows in the second half of
>the '90s.
>
>Okay, enough off-topic posts for me.  ;-PPP
>
>-- TheBS
>
>--
>Bryan "TheBS" Smith    mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org    chat:thebs413
>Engineer   AbsoluteValue Systems, Inc.  http://www.linux-wlan.org
>President    SmithConcepts, Inc.     http://www.SmithConcepts.com
>


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