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Subject: Re: James processing mail from Yahoo but not from Gmail
From: "Al Stu" <AlStu () SimonSlick ! com>
Date: 2008-07-24 17:50:29
Message-ID: 002101c8edb5$c45d4710$0c01a8c0 () amr ! corp ! intel ! com
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Be sure to read the reference [2] article too. Very interesting.
Here is the link for your convenience.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/07/amazon_hey_spammers_get_off_my.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex Posadas" <rex@kalexo.com>
To: "James Users List" <server-user@james.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: James processing mail from Yahoo but not from Gmail
Interesting, thanks for the link!
I'll discuss it with the other engineers.
Al Stu wrote:
> What good is it if it does not work?
>
> Abuse
> In early July 2008 Outblaze and Spamhaus.org started to block Amazon's EC2
> address pool due to massive spam and malware distribution problems. Online
> criminals are using Amazon's service, because complaints against paying
> customers will not result in a ban of the account, only termination of the
> offending instance. The spammer or spyware distributor then creates
> another
> instance, which gets a new IP address, and continues with its malicious
> activity. [2]
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Elastic_Compute_Cloud
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rex Posadas" <rex@kalexo.com>
> To: "James Users List" <server-user@james.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: James processing mail from Yahoo but not from Gmail
>
>
> Hi Al,
>
> Thanks for the response.
>
> I have James installed in a Fedora box and a CentOS EC2 instance, so I'm
> aware that James runs in Linux.
>
> An advantage of using Amazon EC2 over "real hosting providers" is that
> I can bring up/down servers, and server clusters very rapidly.
>
> This helps me scale very quickly, depending on my business needs.
>
> - Rex
>
>
> Al Stu wrote:
>
>> Why go through all that trouble? Just get a real hosting provider for
>> your
>> James server.
>>
>> These folks are really good, experts at Linux and have recently added
>> Windows to there service offerings.
>>
>> http://BestWebHostEver.homelinux.com
>> "Root is everything"
>>
>> I'm running a Linux VPS from them and have found them to be top notch.
>> Initial provisioning, reinstalls, reboots, etc. all automated (Linux only
>> for now, I'm sure they are heading there with their Windows offerings
>> too).
>> And because they have their own block of IP addresses they are able to
>> provide ability for you to have an appropriate reverse PTR record for you
>> mail server. Some ISP's will not accept email from MTA's/MX's that do
>> not
>> have a matching reverse PTR record.
>>
>> Java VM runs on Linux too you know, not just Windows.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rex Posadas" <rex@kalexo.com>
>> To: "James Users List" <server-user@james.apache.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: James processing mail from Yahoo but not from Gmail
>>
>>
>> Found what the issue was.
>>
>> My James installation lives in an Amazon EC2 image. This has the effect
>> of James assigning itself the wrong dnsdomainname.
>>
>> I'm working on a solution where I am will be forwarding email from a
>> Gmail trusted host to my EC2 instances.
>>
>> - Rex
>>
>>
>> Max Impact wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'd use something other than Google to test if my James recieves.
>>> Google
>>> takes security to the extreme and I would use them only to verify my
>>> server adhere to their security, not for basic tests (which they would
>>> shurely fail).
>>>
>>> Google quickly grey / black lists domains on Dynamic DNS, so if that's
>>> you
>>> you may have allready been listed by them and they won't send to you.
>>>
>>> Go find some anonymous mailer site somewhere, or try Yahoo and MSN (may
>>> also fail if u'd been listed). Suggest you try quite a couple of
>>> options
>>> and if you still not recieving considder it a problem.
>>>
>>> Good luck ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:15:21 +0900
>>>> From: ianmlewis@gmail.com
>>>> To: server-user@james.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: James processing mail from Yahoo but not from Gmail
>>>>
>>>> Rex,
>>>>
>>>> If it isn't getting to your server at all then gmail is just refusing
>>>> to send it. Do you not get any kind of MAILER DAEMON mail back in your
>>>> gmail inbox?
>>>>
>>>> I meant to ask what kind of domain are you sending to? Google might
>>>> not like sending to something like user@[238.848.274.929] or some
>>>> other dynamic ip dns. Not sure though.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, it sounds like some sort of domain or gmail security issue if
>>>> the mail really isn't making it to your server.
>>>>
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>> 2008/7/22 Rex Posadas <rex@kalexo.com>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ian,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the response.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 - My mailet runs when I write to James using from my Yahoo account,
>>>>> and my
>>>>> work account. But It does nothing when using my Gmail account. So,
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> pretty sure my Gmail email never go to the mailet.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 - I don't create user accounts in James. I just need to process the
>>>>> email
>>>>> coming in and put it's data in the DB.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3 - Do I check for the mail logs in : james/apps/james/logs ? There's
>>>>> a
>>>>> whole mess of logs there. Is there one in particular I should look
>>>>> at?
>>>>>
>>>>> 4 - james/logs doesn't produce any errors or indicate that any email
>>>>> blocked.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5 - > Also, what kind of domain name are you using to send e-mail?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't send any e-mail from James. I only write to James.
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> - Rex
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian Lewis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rex,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you checked the mail logs to see if the mail is actually
>>>>>> arriving
>>>>>> at your mail server? If your custom mailet does some logging you
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> check the mailet log file to see what might be happening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, what kind of domain name are you using to send e-mail?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2008/7/22 Rex Posadas <rex@kalexo.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am having problems sending email, from my google account, to my
>>>>>>> box
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> has James installed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The strange thing is that when I use my Yahoo account, James
>>>>>>> receives
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> email and processes it correctly. Everything works fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I said "Processes it correctly" it means: I have James running
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> custom mailet. the mailet simply puts email data into a DB table.
>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>> example, extracting the "from: address" and putting that in a DB.
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>> when I send an email to James using my Yahoo account - but not with
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> Gmail
>>>>>>> account.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James is installed in CentOS 5.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any Ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rex
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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