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Subject: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs/site mail2.xml
From: jon () apache ! org
Date: 2001-04-10 0:28:10
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jon 01/04/09 17:28:10
Modified: docs/site getinvolved.html mail2.html
xdocs/site mail2.xml
Added: docs/site understandingopensource.html
Log:
added file that was not checked in
removed email addresses from mail2.xml: i did this for jserv and it cut
down on the number of moderator messages i needed to approve...quite a
bit...while the rest of the lists remained constant...proving my analysis
of the situation...people are copy/pasting the address without subscribing
to the list first.
-jon
Revision Changes Path
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--- getinvolved.html 2001/04/03 04:18:28 1.20
+++ getinvolved.html 2001/04/10 00:28:09 1.21
@@ -169,6 +169,12 @@
<ul>
<li><a href="http://w4.metronet.com/~wjm/tomcat/2000/Nov/msg00073.html">Getting \
Involved</a></li> </ul>
+ <p>
+Here is another comment that was sent to the Turbine Mailing List on the \
opensource process and the contrast between how an opensource product and a \
proprietary product improve through the user community. +</p>
+ <ul>
+<li><a href="./understandingopensource.html">Understanding Opensource</a></li>
+</ul>
</blockquote>
</td></tr>
</table>
1.30 +37 -37 jakarta-site2/docs/site/mail2.html
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retrieving revision 1.29
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diff -u -r1.29 -r1.30
--- mail2.html 2001/04/04 16:37:19 1.29
+++ mail2.html 2001/04/10 00:28:09 1.30
@@ -184,7 +184,7 @@
to this moderated list to get general announcements.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The Jakarta General Project List - general@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Jakarta General Project List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:general-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:general-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -206,7 +206,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The Ant User List - ant-user@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Ant User List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:ant-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:ant-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -217,7 +217,7 @@
as a build tool.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The Ant Developer List - ant-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Ant Developer List</b><br />
<b>High Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:ant-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:ant-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -240,7 +240,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The Alexandria Developer List - alexandria-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Alexandria Developer List</b><br />
<b>Low Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:alexandria-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:alexandria-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -263,7 +263,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The Avalon Developer List - avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Avalon Developer List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:avalon-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:avalon-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -285,7 +285,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The Commons Developer List - jakarta-commons@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Commons Developer List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:jakarta-commons-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:jakarta-commons-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -308,7 +308,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The ECS User List - ecs-user@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The ECS User List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:ecs-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:ecs-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -318,7 +318,7 @@
ask questions, share knowledge, and discuss issues related to using ECS.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The ECS Developer List - ecs-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The ECS Developer List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:ecs-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:ecs-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -340,7 +340,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The Jakarta Documentation List - docs@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Jakarta Documentation List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:docs-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:docs-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -378,7 +378,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The James User List - james-user@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The James User List</b><br />
<b>Low Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:james-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:james-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -389,7 +389,7 @@
offer support to users of Jakarta-James.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The James Developer List - james-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The James Developer List</b><br />
<b>Low Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:james-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:james-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -414,7 +414,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The Jetspeed User List - jetspeed-user@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Jetspeed User List</b><br />
<b>Low Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:jetspeed-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:jetspeed-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -425,7 +425,7 @@
offer support to users of Jakarta-Jetspeed.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The Jetspeed Developer List - jetspeed-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Jetspeed Developer List</b><br />
<b>Low Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:jetspeed-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:jetspeed-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -450,7 +450,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The JMeter User List - jmeter-user@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The JMeter User List</b><br />
<b>Low Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:jmeter-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:jmeter-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -461,7 +461,7 @@
offer support to users of Jakarta-JMeter.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The JMeter Developer List - jmeter-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The JMeter Developer List</b><br />
<b>Low Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:jmeter-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:jmeter-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -497,7 +497,7 @@
product.</strong>
</p>
<p>
-<b>The JServ User List </b><br />
+<b>The JServ User List</b><br />
<b>Low Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:jserv-user-subscribe@java.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:jserv-user-unsubscribe@java.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -508,7 +508,7 @@
be lurking on this list to offer support to users of JServ.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The JServ Developer List </b><br />
+<b>The JServ Developer List</b><br />
<b>Low Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:jserv-dev-subscribe@java.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:jserv-dev-unsubscribe@java.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -533,7 +533,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The Log4j User List - log4j-user@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Log4j User List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:log4j-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:log4j-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -543,7 +543,7 @@
ask questions, share knowledge, and discuss issues related to using log4j.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The Log4j Developer List - log4j-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Log4j Developer List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:log4j-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:log4j-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -575,7 +575,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The ORO User List - oro-user@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The ORO User List</b><br />
<b>Low Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:oro-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:oro-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -586,7 +586,7 @@
offer support to users of Jakarta-ORO.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The ORO Developer List - oro-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The ORO Developer List</b><br />
<b>Low Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:oro-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:oro-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -611,7 +611,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The Regexp User List - regexp-user@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Regexp User List</b><br />
<b>Low Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:regexp-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:regexp-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -622,7 +622,7 @@
offer support to users of Regexp.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The Regexp Developer List - regexp-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Regexp Developer List</b><br />
<b>Low Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:regexp-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:regexp-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -647,7 +647,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The Slide User List - slide-user@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Slide User List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:slide-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:slide-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -658,7 +658,7 @@
developers should also join this list to offer support to their users.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The Slide Developer List - slide-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Slide Developer List</b><br />
<b>Low Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:slide-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:slide-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -683,7 +683,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The Struts User List - struts-user@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Struts User List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:struts-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:struts-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -694,7 +694,7 @@
to offer support to their users.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The Struts Developer List - struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Struts Developer List</b><br />
<b>Low Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:struts-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:struts-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -718,7 +718,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The Taglibs User List - taglibs-user@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Taglibs User List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:taglibs-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:taglibs-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -730,7 +730,7 @@
authors should also join this list to offer support to their users.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The Taglibs Developer List - taglibs-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Taglibs Developer List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:taglibs-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:taglibs-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -753,7 +753,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The Tomcat User List - tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Tomcat User List</b><br />
<b>High Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:tomcat-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:tomcat-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -764,7 +764,7 @@
offer support to users of Tomcat.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The Tomcat Developer List - tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Tomcat Developer List</b><br />
<b>High Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:tomcat-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:tomcat-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -789,7 +789,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>The Turbine User List - turbine-user@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Turbine User List</b><br />
<b>High Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:turbine-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:turbine-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -800,7 +800,7 @@
offer support to users of Turbine.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The Turbine Developer List - turbine-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Turbine Developer List</b><br />
<b>High Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:turbine-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:turbine-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -814,7 +814,7 @@
-- that's what turbine-user is for.
</p>
<p>
-<b>The Turbine TDK Developer List - turbine-tdk-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>The Turbine TDK Developer List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:turbine-tdk-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:turbine-tdk-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -834,7 +834,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>Velocity User List - velocity-user@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>Velocity User List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:velocity-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:velocity-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -845,7 +845,7 @@
this list to offer support to users of Velocity.
</p>
<p>
-<b>Velocity Developer List - velocity-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>Velocity Developer List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:velocity-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:velocity-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
@@ -868,7 +868,7 @@
<tr><td>
<blockquote>
<p>
-<b>Watchdog Developer List - watchdog-dev@jakarta.apache.org</b><br />
+<b>Watchdog Developer List</b><br />
<b>Medium Traffic</b>
<a href="mailto:watchdog-dev-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
<a href="mailto:watchdog-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Unsubscribe</a>
1.1 jakarta-site2/docs/site/understandingopensource.html
Index: understandingopensource.html
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<blockquote>
<p>
>(I can't believe you guys are requesting people to help
>with spellchecking existing documentation when you almost
>have none!)
</p>
<p>
With the opensource system, if you find any deficiency in the project, the
onus is on you to redress that deficiency. Opensource projects provide you
with the means and mechanism to not only remove inadequecies in any part of
the project but also to improve the project. Without this positive feedback
loop an opensource project dies. Opensource doesnt improve by advocacy,
mindshare, or by having 10 million users, it improves by the participation
and contribution from the user community.
</p>
<p>
What that boils down to is, if you see something wrong and do nothing about
it, the opensource system hasnt failed you, *you* have failed the opensource
system.
</p>
<p>
So if I am missing a needed feature in Turbine and I do nothing about it, it
is my own fault for not getting off my lazy arse and taking advantage of the
participation opensource allows. One of the things that really annoys me is
the continual slagging of some of the other opensource projects that get
more media time. It is ok slagging a proprietary product as often you have no
other way of getting your neck into the user-development feedback loop. But
slagging an opensource project is ignorant. The whole mechanism exists to
empower the user. If there is something that would cause that person to slag
a project then it means enough to them to do something about it. In simpler
words, fix it! :)
</p>
<p>
>I'll say it again - doesn't it break your hearts to have
>such a huge (and presumably excellent) body of code available,
>for free as Open Source, and not have more users?
</p>
<p>
As a rule marketers count bodies lol. With a proprietary product, if I like
it, the only way I am allowed to participate in it's improvement is by
buying it. The more I buy, the more likely it is to be successful and
provide me with something stable and persistent in the future to develop and
deploy with. The more users that buy the proprietary product, add to that
companies ability to improve that product. This includes not only the cost
of the development but all the other stuff that goes along with it, like
profit, marketing etc. So my buying dollars dont directly go to the
improvement of that product, even so lots of users is good for a proprietary
products future.
</p>
<p>
Using Turbine as an opensource example, its continued improvement and
success is directly proportional to the user community *participation*. If I
contribute something to Turbine then 100% of my "something" has gone to
improve Turbine, rather than a tiny percentage of the purchase price I paid
for a proprietary product. One contributing user in an opensource project
would be worth 10,000 sold units of a proprietary product. In both cases the
same amount or value of improvements would result.
</p>
<p>
For the above reason, the "more users" isnt important in opensource, we all
use Turbine for our own reasons. But contributing and participating is
definately important for the improvement of an opensource project, and in
our case Turbine. Contributing and participating in Turbine is a commonality
we should all share :)
</p>
<p>
Cameron Riley
<br />
criley@ekmail.com
</p>
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</p>
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as a build tool.
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developers should also join this list to offer support to their users.
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to offer support to their users.
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-- that's what turbine-user is for.
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