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List:       jakarta-general
Subject:    Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.
From:       "Andrew C. Oliver" <acoliver () apache ! org>
Date:       2006-12-16 6:54:47
Message-ID: 45839837.9030201 () apache ! org
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Will Glass-Husain wrote:
> Andy-- No one was going to railroad this through without input from
> POI.  See my previous email where I insisted that we have POI
> participation.  (and I would have -1'd this automatically if it had
> been lacking).   The discussion was civil up until recently.
Okay.  It just didn't LOOk that way. 
>
> I am wondering about this vote though.  Why now?  and what's the
> significance of POI/Jakarta svn access merging?  To me it seems the
> flattening of svn is of little significance.  After a year with the
> new structure, I see individual cases where committers have
> cross-pollinated (in commons, perhaps) but it hasn't seemed to make a
> big impact for many subprojects.
+1
> So, then - Martin - why are you calling for a vote?  Is there a
> pressing need to get access to POI svn?  Are there patches being
> submitted but not going in?  Are you just trying to clean up Jakarta,
> make it more definable?  Or is there something going on with POI that
> we should discuss publically?
>
+1
> There's a reasonable discussion that could be held about the role of
> POI and Jakarta.  Maybe we should have that discussion instead of
> voting on a controversial but practically insignificant issue.
+1

I'd like to see a TLP.  Or baring that an exit. 
> WILL
>
> On 12/15/06, Andrew C. Oliver <acoliver@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hey I have an idea!  If it doesn't pass this time we can call another
>> vote right before the next holiday and hope that none of the POI PMC
>> members are around...  Then 3 months later do it again.
>>
>> -1 (because my votes don't seem to be counted and Henri will make up
>> backstory for me)
>>
>> Henri Yandell wrote:
>> > On 12/15/06, Henri Yandell <flamefew@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On 12/15/06, Nick Burch <nick@torchbox.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
>> >> > > Apache legal doesn't know anything about this..
>> >> >
>> >> > Back when I joined POI, I was told the apache legal team had
>> >> suggested the
>> >> > requirement.
>> >> >
>> >> > Perhaps one of the older POI committers can supply the original
>> >> details?
>> >>
>> >> My understanding is that the advice is from Andy's personal lawyer
>> >> many moons ago, maybe before POI joined the ASF.
>> >>
>> >> From an ASF point of view if someone breaks an NDA on our list or 
>> in a
>> >> commit, then it's their head and not ours. We would respond as 
>> quickly
>> >> as possible once we're aware of the issue by removing reference to
>> >> that issue (and unless we think it was an honest mistake also yanking
>> >> the commit rights of the person who broke it). I'm not sure if we'd
>> >> legally have to do that or not - I don't know how NDAs fit into IP
>> >> (copyright/trademarks), or if its just a personal agreement between
>> >> two parties and the NDA breaker is just breaking that contract. I am
>> >> not a lawyer etc etc, but the above is my understanding and would 
>> hold
>> >> for any of our mailing lists.
>> >>
>> >> Public statements seem like an odd thing. There's no official archive
>> >> of them at the ASF (and they're not made to the ASF), so I doubt they
>> >> hold any weight or value to the ASF.
>> >
>> > Additionally - Harmony setup some extra process to help with making
>> > sure everyone involved knew that the ASF didn't want any trade secrets
>> > to be exposed - so there may be something that POI can learn from them
>> > [Geir?].
>> >
>> > Hen
>> >
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