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List:       jakarta-general
Subject:    Re: [PROPOSAL] Tiles as the seed for Jakarta Web Components
From:       "Andrew C. Oliver" <acoliver () apache ! org>
Date:       2006-04-26 7:31:49
Message-ID: 444F21E5.7060104 () apache ! org
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No.  There isn't a consensus.  Just you guys REALLY REALLY want it to 
happen.
Do not mistake one for the other.  I did pay attention.  Yet feel the 
issue has not been
sufficiently addressed thus I'm -1 for all the previously stated reasons 
in all of the vaguely
alluded to threads for all the reasons stated previously that I still 
feel are not addressed. 

-Andy

Martin Cooper wrote:
> On 4/25/06, Andrew C. Oliver <acoliver@apache.org> wrote:
>   
>> I'd be against another commons style sub-community.  Unless you can show
>> me
>> a defined scope, "web components" means nothing, then expect my objection.
>>     
>
>
> Understood. A formal scope does need to be written down and agreed upon.
> However, I believe that concensus on the gist of such a scope has already
> happened, between the lines, in the numerous previous threads on JWC on
> various lists.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
> -Andy
>   
>> James Mitchell wrote:
>>     
>>> I believe that this would be a great way to bootstrap this new
>>>       
>> community.
>>     
>>> If this were a formal vote, then I, as both a Struts PMC and a Jakarta
>>> PMC member, would throw a binding +1 your way.
>>>
>>> --
>>> James Mitchell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 24, 2006, at 11:56 PM, Martin Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> There has been considerable discussion, on this list and others, about
>>>> the
>>>> creation of a Jakarta Web Components sub-project (also previously
>>>> known as
>>>> Jakarta Silk). I believe the concensus has been in favour of creating
>>>>         
>> it.
>>     
>>>> However, we seemed to get bogged down, several times, in discussions
>>>> of the
>>>> name, or of exactly which pieces of Jakarta Commons, Jakarta Taglibs,
>>>> etc.,
>>>> should move to the new sub-project.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, over at Struts, we have had a number of discussions about
>>>>         
>> the
>>     
>>>> future of Tiles[1], currently a Struts sub-project. We have been
>>>>         
>> working
>>     
>>>> hard to make Tiles independent of Struts, and are close to achieving
>>>>         
>> that
>>     
>>>> goal. With Tiles no longer depending on Struts, it makes little sense
>>>> for it
>>>> to remain a part of the Struts project. In fact, it is much more
>>>> likely to
>>>> flourish outside of Struts.
>>>>
>>>> The proposal, then, is to create the Jakarta Web Components
>>>> sub-project, and
>>>> make Tiles the first citizen of that sub-project. This simultaneously
>>>> achieves several objectives:
>>>>
>>>> 1) We actually get started with the Jakarta Web Components sub-project.
>>>> 2) We can defer discussion of which other parts of Jakarta move there.
>>>> 3) We create a logical home for the now-Struts-independent Tiles.
>>>>
>>>> While Tiles is a powerful templating framework, it is actually a fairly
>>>> small code base, making it a good candidate for an independent web
>>>> component. It is still being developed, so we would not be seeding
>>>> Jakarta
>>>> Web Components with a dormant component. Several of the Struts
>>>>         
>> committers
>>     
>>>> (many of whom are already Jakarta committers) would come here to
>>>>         
>> continue
>>     
>>>> working on Tiles, and to help build the Jakarta Web Components
>>>> sub-project.
>>>>
>>>> Once Jakarta Web Components is up and running, it would, of course, be
>>>> up to
>>>> the various communities surrounding Commons and Taglibs components, and
>>>> potentially other Jakarta sub-projects, as to whether or not they
>>>> choose to
>>>> join the new sub-project. The goal of this proposal is simply to seed
>>>>         
>> the
>>     
>>>> sub-project and get the ball rolling.
>>>>
>>>> Comments?
>>>>         
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