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Subject: Re: mail2.html -> mail.html
From: Tetsuya Kitahata <tetsuya () apache ! org>
Date: 2003-07-23 1:15:30
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Thank you for the comment, Robert.
TO tell the truth, my original motivation to arise this
issue was concering to the upcoming newsletter.
I published the final "Jakarta Newsletter" in early
this month and I found I made some mistakes. Also,
there was something which I got aware:
<<1>>
I've forgot to append the URL of Apache Ant. There might
be someone who came to jakarta-general, not knowing
that Ant had been separated and have own mailng lists.
<<2>>
I wrote:
'If you would like to comment further on any of the highlighted
discussions then please do so on the appropriate list [4],
................................................
[4] - http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html'
However, at the same time I felt guilty about this .. thinking
"Oh, how user unfriendly I am!"
<<3>>
I have felt the mail trailer (can be seen at the bottom of each mails)
can be improved in the future. I was getting too nervous on the
next Newsletter (ASF-wide) and thought "before it is too late"...
--
Anyway, I will perform the improvements gradually... There
seem many rooms for improvements even in the current site/mail2.html.
Thank you all who participated in this issue for the comments!
Sincerely,
-- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:17:40 +0100
(Subject: Re: mail2.html -> mail.html)
robert burrell donkin <robertburrelldonkin@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> jakarta came round to having two pages for mail subscriptions after
> having years of regular problems with people joining the lists who
> had no idea about how to behave. the pages are user unfriendly but
> the old solution (ie publically and vocally humiliating posters on
> list) was worse (since it discouraged many lurkers with valuable
> opinions from speaking out for fear of being shot down in flames).
>
> i don't think that reading through a page of instructions is too much
> to ask for the benefit of the community not having to waste time and
> energy shooting down ignorant and disruptive posters. one proof that
> this policy works is that the last occasion that i can remember this
> being necessary was with somebody who'd subscribed via news.
>
> i would support a move of the other information on the deeper page
> (about the archives, for example) to a better location. i'd also be
> happy to support some alternative system (maybe using ezmlm) which
> was equally effective. i'd also support any sub-project who was happy
> about being listed on the front page being moved there.
>
> - robert
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