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List:       jakarta-general
Subject:    RE: Comments on the commons-logging API
From:       "Andrew C. Oliver" <acoliver () apache ! org>
Date:       2002-03-30 22:01:48
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Not to mention the problems of supporting multiple versions of Log4j. 
But I really think this discussion belongs in the commons-dev mail
list.  Ceki is making criticisms against an API etc, that really should
be taken up in the appropriate forum.

On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 20:13, Scott Sanders wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:ceki@qos.ch] 
> > I never suspected (nor suggested) that commons-logging effort 
> > was dishonorable in any way. My contention is that it will 
> > make life harder not easier. Nothing more, nothing less.
> > 
> 
> I think it may make life harder for the commons, Log4J, and LogKit teams, but I \
> have already seen it make life easier for users of jakarta products.  Digester used \
> to have its own configuration mechanism, and it used to System.out.println() all \
> *logging* information.  Try using that in a server framework and see how fast you \
> get angry when everything else uses Log4J.   
> OK, so if Digester uses Log4J, now see how fast all the LogKit zealots will refuse \
> to use it.  Commons-logging was a way to plug into logging frameworks without \
> dictating any of them.  The main point IMHO was to remove System.out.println() \
> calls.  It happened to end up usefully wrapping all logging impls IMHO.  That is a \
> win for everyone. 
> If we have problems with interoperability (and we will), we fix them.  Yes, someone \
> has to ultimately dictate the logger to use.  As a commons developer, I do not want \
> to force that choice onto anyone.  Let them decide. 
> Scott Sanders
> 
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