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List:       jabber-jdev
Subject:    Re: [JDEV] Misc Status..
From:       "Robert Thompson" <robert () sv3 ! com>
Date:       1999-11-17 3:36:58
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So, are there some small efficient Java Classes that I can use from a
Browser to do IM with the Jabber Server?

- Robert


----- Original Message -----
From: David Waite <mass@ufl.edu>
To: <jdev@jabber.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [JDEV] Misc Status..


> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Robert Thompson wrote:
>
> > May I ask why it's all done through the server?
> >
> > I mean, for users accessing chat from a browser, I can understand using
the
> > server.
> >
> > But for users doing 1-to-1 or group chat, it doesn't make sense to do
> > everything through the server when for 1-to-1, peer to peer is fine, and
for
> > groups, there is a good chance that one of them has a connection fast
enough
> > to server all the others.
>
> Actually it isn't fine. People behind firewalls and proxies, for instance,
> have no way of being able to chat with other people.
>
> > Yahoo, AOL, ICQ...they all do it like this (well the only one I have
inside
> > knowledge of is Yahoo).  The reason is that the community can have many
many
> > more users....if you do everything through a server it's going to
eventually
> > get complicated to manage large communities of users.
>
> Hmm, I thought AOL was totally client-server based. ICQ allows peer-peer,
> but it honestly only works for me about 40% of the time.. and the
> different allowable rules between peer-peer and server sending (such as an
> imposed message size limit on sending through the server) is very
> annoying. End users should not have to deal with that sort of thing.
>
> Also, for interoperability with other systems, it is nice to have the
> backend of the jabber server handle all the other protocols, rather than
> having to hack some manner of support for AOL, ICQ, Yahoo, MSN, PowWow (am
> I forgetting any big ones? I know I am forgetting at least ten small
> ones like EGM) into each and every client.
>
> -David Waite
>
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