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Subject: Re: [discuss] Illumos as an Active Directory replacement
From: "Jonathan Adams" <t12nslookup () gmail ! com>
Date: 2015-09-29 8:59:58
Message-ID: CAKr4wiSjoBwafiCvNg1fiTj7pR=H89Ak+K1U5Ff52bDK=4fhLg () mail ! gmail ! com
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"I suggest you resign form that "company" and find a job elsewhere."
funny(?!?) thing is that that is almost exactly what my boss did in
December last year, after 24 years at the company.
My main job is to write database code, I just happen to have been here
longest and know how everything works (mostly because I made it all or had
a hand in it's setup). I also made the conscious decision to work with the
new IT director, and if he says we do it, then we will find a way, but it
might well end up being an SEP (Someone Else's Problem)
Jon
On 29 September 2015 at 08:21, Nikolam <minikola@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suggest you resign form that "company" and find a job elsewhere.
> Mindless decisions like this hurt people, companies and are bringing them
> to their demise, anyway.
> Leaving the reason on your resignation that board decision is mindless
> could work on not going to Exchange/MS licensing hell.
>
> Alternatively, you can run VM's with Windows server inside and all
> licensing c*
> Or you can call for support for your illumos distro, that as a company
> surely you already have paying?
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Jonathan Adams <t12nslookup@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Uniformity is important"
>>
>> The funny thing is that the umbrella company is the one with 5 people in
>> it whereas we have Unix/Dovecot/Procmail/Thunderbird/Webmail interfaces
>> that work for over 500 people ... (the 160 are just one company)
>>
>> as it happens I think the price tag might cause them to rethink ... 160
>> licenses (as "Core CAL"s) is about £101,000, on top of the hardware needed,
>> plus the man-power, plus the training, and the fact that it will take at
>> least 6 months to deploy ...
>>
>> We're looking at approx £200,000 to get an integrated calendar app ...
>>
>> Funny thing is that _my_ Thunderbird (with Lightning) works fine with
>> outlook invitations, it's the people on Apple PC's or those working on
>> their phones that appear to be having the most trouble.
>>
>> I'm still hoping I can torpedo this thing before too much happens.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> On 28 September 2015 at 13:14, Turbo Fredriksson <fransurbo@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Jonathan Adams wrote:
>>>
>>> > There is an issue that the umbrella company (that bought us) uses
>>> Microsoft Exchange, and they are having trouble sending events to our mail
>>> guys because only some of the email clients are receiving
>>> invitations/events properly …
>>>
>>> Then you're pretty much fucked :(.
>>>
>>> And to make matters worse, I would actually agree with them :(.
>>> Uniformity is important (although extremely annoying at times),
>>> and I'm sure you would agree. It sucks for us/our "UNIX people",
>>> but _we_ can adopt to them quite easily, to bad they can't adopt
>>> to us as easily :D
>>>
>>> The umbrella company have probably (they usually do at least)
>>> accounted for additional "tech expenses" to facilitate the merger.
>>> Let's just hope they accounted for additional people that can
>>> (and want to :) administrate all that crap :D
>>
>>
>>
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<html><html><div dir="ltr">"I suggest you resign form that "company" \
and find a job elsewhere."<div><br /></div><div>funny(?!?) thing is that that is \
almost exactly what my boss did in December last year, after 24 years at the \
company.</div><div><br /></div><div>My main job is to write database code, I just \
happen to have been here longest and know how everything works (mostly because I made \
it all or had a hand in it's setup). I also made the conscious decision to \
work with the new IT director, and if he says we do it, then we will find a way, but \
it might well end up being an SEP (Someone Else's Problem)</div><div><br \
/></div><div>Jon</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br /><div \
class="gmail_quote">On 29 September 2015 at 08:21, Nikolam <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:minikola@gmail.com" target="_blank">minikola@gmail.com</a>></span> \
wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>I suggest you resign \
form that "company" and find a job elsewhere.<br /></div>Mindless decisions \
like this hurt people, companies and are bringing them to their demise, \
anyway.<br /></div>Leaving the reason on your resignation that board decision is \
mindless could work on not going to Exchange/MS licensing hell. <br /><br \
/></div>Alternatively, you can run VM's with Windows server inside and all \
licensing c* <br /></div>Or you can call for support for your illumos distro, that as \
a company surely you already have paying?<br /></div><div><div class="h5"><div \
class="gmail_extra"><br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 7:08 PM, \
Jonathan Adams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:t12nslookup@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">t12nslookup@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">"Uniformity is important"<br \
/><div><br /></div><div>The funny thing is that the umbrella company is the one with \
5 people in it whereas we have Unix/Dovecot/Procmail/Thunderbird/Webmail interfaces \
that work for over 500 people ... (the 160 are just one company)</div><div><br \
/></div><div>as it happens I think the price tag might cause them to rethink ... 160 \
licenses (as "Core CAL"s) is about £101,000, on top of the hardware \
needed, plus the man-power, plus the training, and the fact that it will take at \
least 6 months to deploy ...</div><div><br /></div><div>We're looking at approx \
£200,000 to get an integrated calendar app ...</div><div><br /></div><div>Funny \
thing is that _my_ Thunderbird (with Lightning) works fine with outlook invitations, \
it's the people on Apple PC's or those working on their phones that appear to \
be having the most trouble.</div><div><br /></div><div>I'm still hoping I can \
torpedo this thing before too much happens.</div><div><br \
/></div><div>Jon</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br /><div \
class="gmail_quote">On 28 September 2015 at 13:14, Turbo Fredriksson <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fransurbo@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">fransurbo@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">On Sep 28, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Jonathan Adams wrote:<br /><br \
/> > There is an issue that the umbrella company (that bought us) uses Microsoft \
Exchange, and they are having trouble sending events to our mail guys because only \
some of the email clients are receiving invitations/events properly …<br /><br \
/> Then you're pretty much fucked :(.<br /><br />
And to make matters worse, I would actually agree with them :(.<br />
Uniformity is important (although extremely annoying at times),<br />
and I'm sure you would agree. It sucks for us/our "UNIX people",<br />
but _we_ can adopt to them quite easily, to bad they can't adopt<br />
to us as easily :D<br /><br />
The umbrella company have probably (they usually do at least)<br />
accounted for additional "tech expenses" to facilitate the merger.<br />
Let's just hope they accounted for additional people that can<br />
(and want to :) administrate all that crap :D</blockquote></div><br \
/></div></blockquote></div><br /></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br \
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