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Subject:    RE: [VRRP] Need info reg interface IP used as VIP in VRRP
From:       "John Cruz (johcruz)" <johcruz () cisco ! com>
Date:       2007-10-29 17:30:49
Message-ID: 9D0602B62D632D499E0A26CBCDA74A7D02682B0E () xmb-sjc-22a ! amer ! cisco ! com
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One implementation that supports object tracking (the implementation
calls
it as monitored-circuit) forces the VIP to not to be the interface IP
for exactly the
issue mentioned below by Steve.
 
John


________________________________

	From: Stephen Nadas [mailto:stephen.nadas@ericsson.com] 
	Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:19 AM
	To: Ramya Shekar (rashekar); vrrp@ietf.org
	Subject: RE: [VRRP] Need info reg interface IP used as VIP in
VRRP
	
	
	Ramya,
	To my understanding, if the interface address is also the VIP
address, that router owniing the IP address will always assume
ownership, essentially if the VIP is an interface address its priority
is always 255 (A will keep mastership).   I suspect object tracking
maybe somewhat out of scope on this list, but, to my understanding,
something external to VRRP that trys, in response to some other event,
to decrement the VRRP priority for an VIP that is also an interface
address cannot change the VRRP priority.   Put another way, if you want
to use techniques like object tracking, I don't see how this can also
use VIP addresses that are also interface addresses.  I also don't see
why it is necessary to do so; I think you can do what you want without
using interface addresses. 
	Steve    


________________________________

		From: Ramya Shekar (rashekar)
[mailto:rashekar@cisco.com] 
		Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:01 AM
		To: vrrp@ietf.org
		Subject: [VRRP] Need info reg interface IP used as VIP
in VRRP
		
		
		
		Hi all,
		 
		Can anyone explain how the behavior of VRRP is when
interface ip is configured as a VIP?
		 
		In particular, I need this scenario. 
		 
		    * Router A and router B exist with VRRP configured
in them.
		    
		    * VR ID is 1 & VIP is interface ip address of A in
both routers A and B and hence A is Master with priority 255 & B is
Backup.
		    
		    * Through object tracking, priority of A is reduced
from 255 (say the case being another interface in router A going down &
by tracking, the priority of VR 1 in router A goes down).
		 
		    *  In this case, will A be preempted by B and thus
will B become the master of the VIP which is the same as one of the
interface ip addresses of router A? Or will A continue to remain the
Master as the VIP is its interface IP address?
		 
		Thanks,
		Ramya  


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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=144561917-29102007><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>One implementation that supports object tracking (the 
implementation calls</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=144561917-29102007><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>it as monitored-circuit) forces the VIP to not to be 
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=144561917-29102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>the interface IP for exactly the</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=144561917-29102007><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>issue mentioned below by Steve.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=144561917-29102007><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=144561917-29102007><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>John</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr 
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; \
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>
  <HR tabIndex=-1>
  <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Stephen Nadas 
  [mailto:stephen.nadas@ericsson.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 29, 2007 
  9:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ramya Shekar (rashekar); 
  vrrp@ietf.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [VRRP] Need info reg interface IP used as 
  VIP in VRRP<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=734430016-29102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>Ramya,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=734430016-29102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>To 
  my understanding, if the interface address is also the VIP address, that 
  router owniing the IP address will always assume ownership, essentially if the 
  VIP is&nbsp;an interface address its priority is always 255 (A will keep 
  mastership).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I suspect&nbsp;object&nbsp;tracking&nbsp;maybe 
  somewhat out of scope on this&nbsp;list, but, to my understanding, something 
  external to VRRP that&nbsp;trys, in response to some other 
  event,&nbsp;to&nbsp;decrement the VRRP priority for an VIP that is also an 
  interface address&nbsp;cannot&nbsp;change the VRRP priority. &nbsp; Put 
  another way, if you&nbsp;want to use techniques like object tracking, I don't 
  see how this can also&nbsp;use VIP addresses that are also interface 
  addresses.&nbsp; I also don't see why it&nbsp;is necessary to do so; I think 
  you can do what you want without using interface addresses. 
  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=734430016-29102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>Steve &nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr 
  style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; \
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>
    <HR tabIndex=-1>
    <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Ramya Shekar (rashekar) 
    [mailto:rashekar@cisco.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:01 
    AM<BR><B>To:</B> vrrp@ietf.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [VRRP] Need info reg 
    interface IP used as VIP in VRRP<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=609111211-27102007>Hi 
    all,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=609111211-27102007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=609111211-27102007>Can anyone 
    explain how the behavior of VRRP is when interface ip is configured as a 
    VIP?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=609111211-27102007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=609111211-27102007>In particular, I 
    need this scenario.&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=609111211-27102007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=609111211-27102007>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *&nbsp;Router A and router B 
    exist with VRRP configured in them.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=609111211-27102007>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=609111211-27102007>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *&nbsp;VR ID is 1 &amp; VIP is 
    interface ip address of A in both routers A and B and hence A is Master with 
    priority 255&nbsp;&amp; B is Backup.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=609111211-27102007>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=609111211-27102007>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * Through object tracking, 
    priority of A is reduced from 255 (say the case being another interface in 
    router A going down &amp;&nbsp;by tracking, the priority of&nbsp;VR 
    1&nbsp;in router A goes down).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=609111211-27102007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=609111211-27102007>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *&nbsp; In this case, will A be 
    preempted by B and thus will B become the master of the VIP which is the 
    same as one of&nbsp;the interface ip addresses of router A? Or will A 
    continue to remain the Master as the VIP is its interface IP 
    address?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=609111211-27102007></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=609111211-27102007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=609111211-27102007>Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    class=609111211-27102007>Ramya&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>




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