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List:       ietf
Subject:    Re: IETF *is* computer crime.
From:       Salvador Vidal <svidal () lander ! es>
Date:       2000-05-26 11:47:03
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Hello Bob,

For Internet improvent and sucess you need the people at this list,
Not because their are brillant
Not because their experince
Not because Intenet need continuity
...
Just because Nobody hate more the actual Intenet degradation, Nobody wants
more that Internet serves for humanity sucess than those who spend their
life working for Internet.

The bill of rights or any other thing that you have in mind are just wet
papers without people fighting for them, and you are in the right place if
you are searching for these people.

As you say the problem is the superestructure that drives Internet for a
very particular ecomic interest, IEFT people are not the problem but part
of the solution.

We need people at this list for an honest Internet evolution, for the
Internet Spirit revival...

We are driven to a deal to balance the actual situation but not without
them, not without you, not without anybody.

Very nice to heard from you again,
Salva

At 11:31 23/05/00 -0400, you wrote:
>
> The manner in which unsanctioned anti-democratic organizations
> control what amounts to the global communications network is a
> crime unto itself. Citizens utilizing this infra-structure posses
> no legal protections, no constitutional safeguards and no basic
> rights or liberties of any variety. We are subject to the chimeric
> whims of technocrats lost in the clouds of their stock options,
> fancy job titles and droll rotation of globe hopping symposiums
> and conferences. Left with no protections we are virtually
> helpless, hapless and hopeless.
>
> The concept of privacy and personal rights and freedoms on the
> net are fully nul and void. The whole convoluted mess rambles on
> generating profits for the lever-controllers and box managers
> and everything is fine and dandy. Except for the pervading fact
> that bloody security, mechanical network integrity and smooth
> technical functioning of the machinery do not supercede precious 
> inalienables and undeniables. Except for the truth that people
> and their intercourses are openly, randomly and completely subject
> to limitless interferances and interventions. 
>
> IETF, ISOC, ICANN, ITU and whatever other unsanctioned, informal
> acretion of pseudo-authority should arise are no places to look
> for solutions. They embody the problem. They ARE the proble. To
> search elsewhere is our only alternative. Tou route around, to
> undermine, to quietly innovate clever detours and innovations.
> Because the moment the unchanging cast of central authorites
> are deposed is the moment a solution becomes workable. Look no
> further than your own self, your own capabilities and capacities.
> Anyone who seeks freedom or solace from those who benifit the most
> from our control and the maintenance of their influence can only
> impede evolution. 
>
> Alive and very much well, all my opinions only, a very insignificant
> observer among the masses of the great unplugged, I remain,
>
> Bob Allisat
>
>
>

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