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Subject: RE: How to judge what is the fair site for participation
From: Vasilenko Eduard <vasilenko.eduard=40huawei.com () dmarc ! ietf ! org>
Date: 2024-04-22 7:17:18
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The opposite direction for many people is the same challenge.
Ed/
From: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rob Sayre
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 02:12
To: IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>; Benson Muite <benson_muite@emailplus.org>
Subject: Re: How to judge what is the fair site for participation
Benson Muite <benson_muite@emailplus.org<mailto:benson_muite@emailplus.org>> wrote:
I don't go to these anymore, or even register online. You can just watch them on \
YouTube and skip the boring parts.
But, if no one went, I would have nothing to watch. So, I agree it's a problem.
For some measurements on things that I have personally flown:
- SFO to Hyderabad: SFO -> Dubai (16 hours), Dubai -> Hyderabad (4 hours)
- SFO to Singapore direct: 17 hours
- JFK to BKK (they don't have this one anymore): 16-17 hours, and the flight went \
around the world, meaning it flew east to BKK and the return flew east to JFK.
This is probably all slower now, because geopolitical situations can make it \
difficult to overfly some countries.
These trips are absolutely brutal, even if you fly in business. For a trip like that, \
it's pretty much a 2-week deal, so you can get your mind back after the jetlag. I \
think a lot of IETF people actually like planes and things, so it's not a giant pain. \
The issue is whether one can make the entire time productive. If someone from \
Australia flies to San Francisco, they can probably book a lot of meetings, even \
within their own company. Not so going the other way, so that's the issue. It's just \
a function of the density of Internet companies.
thanks,
Rob
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<p class="MsoNormal">The opposite direction for many people is the same \
challenge.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Ed/<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> <b>On Behalf Of \
</b> Rob Sayre<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 21, 2024 02:12<br>
<b>To:</b> IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>; Benson Muite \
<benson_muite@emailplus.org><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: How to judge what is the \
fair site for participation<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Benson Muite <<a \
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't go to these anymore, or even register online. You can \
just watch them on YouTube and skip the boring parts.<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But, if no one went, I would have nothing to watch. So, I agree \
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<p class="MsoNormal">For some measurements on things that I have personally \
flown:<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- SFO to Hyderabad: SFO -> Dubai (16 hours), Dubai -> \
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<p class="MsoNormal">- SFO to Singapore direct: 17 hours<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- JFK to BKK (they don't have this one anymore): 16-17 hours, \
and the flight went around the world, meaning it flew east to BKK and the return \
flew east to JFK.<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is probably all slower now, because geopolitical situations \
can make it difficult to overfly some countries.<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">These trips are absolutely brutal, even if you fly in business. \
For a trip like that, it's pretty much a 2-week deal, so you can get your \
mind back after the jetlag. I think a lot of IETF people actually like \
planes and things, so it's not a giant pain. The issue is whether one can make the \
entire time productive. If someone from Australia flies to San Francisco, they can \
probably book a lot of meetings, even within their own company. Not so going the \
other way, so that's the issue. It's just a function of the density of Internet \
companies.<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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