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Subject: Re: [Hyperledger TSC] missing tsc election ballots
From: "Brian Behlendorf" <bbehlendorf () linuxfoundation ! org>
Date: 2018-08-21 5:17:15
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Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.
We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux
Foundation staff on this project. Diversity on the 10 internships we
funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the
10 but need to check). We have provided support for a number of
diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry
events. Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about
other approaches that can help.
Thanks,
Brian
On 08/20/2018 06:55 PM, Bob Summerwill wrote:
> The gender imbalance?
>
> Ratios I have seen in a lot of places in blockchain, computer science
> and and open source in general tend to be closer to 85% male to 15%
> female.
>
> We need to do better within Hyperledger, IMHO.
>
> On Mon., Aug. 20, 2018, 6:48 p.m. Baohua Yang, <yangbaohua@gmail.com
> <mailto:yangbaohua@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Interested to know if this specifically happens in HL or popular
> in the entire open-source world?
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Bob Summerwill
> <bob@summerwill.net <mailto:bob@summerwill.net>> wrote:
>
> That was my sad observation too, Dan:
>
> https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/08/15/hyperledger-tsc-candidates-and-thoughts-on-diversity/
>
> All 29 TSC candidates are male.
> All 11 existing TSC members are male.
>
> Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole
> exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.
>
>
> On Mon., Aug. 20, 2018, 6:06 p.m. Middleton, Dan,
> <dan.middleton@intel.com <mailto:dan.middleton@intel.com>> wrote:
>
> I was able to submit my ballot and I'm happy to say it was
> hard ranking. There's a lot of people whose work I respect
> on this list and some people whose work I'm not yet as
> familiar with but interested in learning about.
>
> Unfortunately, what I also couldn't help noticing was that
> we didn't have a single female candidate.
> There's no doubt a number of other groups (that are less
> apparent from a cursory inspection of names) who aren't
> represented in the technical leadership.
>
> Regards,
> Dan
>
>
> On 8/20/18, 6:43 PM, "tsc@lists.hyperledger.org
> <mailto:tsc@lists.hyperledger.org> on behalf of Brian
> Behlendorf" <tsc@lists.hyperledger.org
> <mailto:tsc@lists.hyperledger.org> on behalf of
> bbehlendorf@linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bbehlendorf@linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
>
> On 08/20/2018 04:01 PM, Bob Summerwill wrote:
> > For sure. Makes sense.
> >
> > Is this "votes obscured" pattern typical for elected
> technical (or
> > indeed non-technical) committees which you have seen
> in other open
> > source organizations, Brian?
> >
> I don't know whether other TSCs at Linux
> Foundation-hosted communities
> do this the same way, but I'm not aware of us being an
> exception to that.
>
> The Apache Software Foundation uses STV:
> https://wiki.apache.org/general/BoardVoting but then
> publishes just the
> list of names:
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/announcing-new-asf-board-of
>
> and I didn't see numbers published in the
> corresponding posts on
> members@apache.org <mailto:members@apache.org>.
>
> In general I have to say I prefer it as a way to get
> across that while
> popularity and contribution levels may differ, what's
> important is
> working together as humans and peers to get things
> done, and award a
> degree of recognition for one's service to the broader
> community, but
> not to score points on a leaderboard.
>
> Perhaps this is implicitly understood, but I'd add
> that another bit of
> Apache culture I think is important to bring over is
> that people are not
> on the TSC to represent their employer, but to
> represent themselves and
> their reputation in the community, which will in many
> (most?) cases
> outlast one's current employer.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> --
> Brian Behlendorf
> Executive Director, Hyperledger
> bbehlendorf@linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bbehlendorf@linuxfoundation.org>
> Twitter: @brianbehlendorf
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best wishes!
>
> Baohua Yang
>
--
Brian Behlendorf
Executive Director, Hyperledger
bbehlendorf@linuxfoundation.org
Twitter: @brianbehlendorf
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I
agree that more can be done.<br>
<br>
We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux
Foundation staff on this project. Diversity on the 10 internships
we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3
out of the 10 but need to check). We have provided support for a
number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer
industry events. Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks
might have about other approaches that can help.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Brian<br>
<br>
On 08/20/2018 06:55 PM, Bob Summerwill wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">The gender imbalance?
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Ratios I have seen in a lot of places in
blockchain, computer science and and open source in general
tend to be closer to 85% male to 15% female.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">We need to do better within Hyperledger, IMHO.</div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon., Aug. 20, 2018, 6:48 p.m. Baohua Yang,
<<a href="mailto:yangbaohua@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">yangbaohua@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Interested to know if this specifically happens
in HL or popular in the entire open-source world?
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 9:42 AM,
Bob Summerwill <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:bob@summerwill.net" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" \
moz-do-not-send="true">bob@summerwill.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto">
<div dir="auto">That was my sad observation too,
Dan:</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><a
href="https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/08/15/hyperledger-tsc-candidates-and-thoughts-on-diversity/"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
\
moz-do-not-send="true">https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/08/15/hyperledger-tsc-candidates-and-thoughts-on-diversity/</a></span><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">All 29 TSC candidates are male.</div>
<div dir="auto">All 11 existing TSC members are
male.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Of the HL governing board 20/21 are
male too, with the sole exception being Blythe
Masters, the Chair.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon., Aug. 20, 2018, 6:06 p.m.
Middleton, Dan, <<a
href="mailto:dan.middleton@intel.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">dan.middleton@intel.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">I was able to submit
my ballot and I'm happy to say it was hard
ranking. There's a lot of people whose work I
respect on this list and some people whose
work I'm not yet as familiar with but
interested in learning about.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, what I also couldn't help
noticing was that we didn't have a single
female candidate. <br>
There's no doubt a number of other groups
(that are less apparent from a cursory
inspection of names) who aren't represented in
the technical leadership.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Dan <br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/20/18, 6:43 PM, "<a
href="mailto:tsc@lists.hyperledger.org"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">tsc@lists.hyperledger.org</a>
on behalf of Brian Behlendorf" <<a
href="mailto:tsc@lists.hyperledger.org"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">tsc@lists.hyperledger.org</a>
on behalf of <a
href="mailto:bbehlendorf@linuxfoundation.org"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
\
moz-do-not-send="true">bbehlendorf@linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
On 08/20/2018 04:01 PM, Bob Summerwill
wrote:<br>
> For sure. Makes sense.<br>
><br>
> Is this "votes obscured" pattern
typical for elected technical (or <br>
> indeed non-technical) committees
which you have seen in other open <br>
> source organizations, Brian?<br>
><br>
I don't know whether other TSCs at Linux
Foundation-hosted communities <br>
do this the same way, but I'm not aware of
us being an exception to that.<br>
<br>
The Apache Software Foundation uses STV: <br>
<a
href="https://wiki.apache.org/general/BoardVoting"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" \
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.apache.org/general/BoardVoting</a> but then \
publishes just the <br> list of names: <br>
<a
href="https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/announcing-new-asf-board-of"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" \
moz-do-not-send="true">https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/announcing-new-asf-board-of</a>
<br>
and I didn't see numbers published in the
corresponding posts on <br>
<a href="mailto:members@apache.org"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">members@apache.org</a>.<br>
<br>
In general I have to say I prefer it as a
way to get across that while <br>
popularity and contribution levels may
differ, what's important is <br>
working together as humans and peers to
get things done, and award a <br>
degree of recognition for one's service to
the broader community, but <br>
not to score points on a leaderboard.<br>
<br>
Perhaps this is implicitly understood, but
I'd add that another bit of <br>
Apache culture I think is important to
bring over is that people are not <br>
on the TSC to represent their employer,
but to represent themselves and <br>
their reputation in the community, which
will in many (most?) cases <br>
outlast one's current employer.<br>
<br>
Brian<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Brian Behlendorf<br>
Executive Director, Hyperledger<br>
<a
href="mailto:bbehlendorf@linuxfoundation.org"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
\
moz-do-not-send="true">bbehlendorf@linuxfoundation.org</a><br> Twitter: \
@brianbehlendorf<br> <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div><font color="#999999">Best wishes!</font></div>
<div><font color="#999999"><br>
Baohua Yang</font></div>
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