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Subject: [HPADM] Summary: Nike Model 10 Question
From: "Johnson, Craig E" <Craig.E.Johnson () icn ! siemens ! com>
Date: 2004-04-28 20:16:51
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Thanks to all who responded. Our third party support vendor also confirmed
this with HP, when using 4.2GB drives, it only matters that they are the
same size and part number. Disk vendor is not an issue. The rebuild was
successful.
Craig
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FACE="Arial">vendor also confirmed this with HP, when using 4.2GB drives, it only \
matters that they are the same size and part number. Disk vendor is not an \
issue. </FONT> <FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">The rebuild was \
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Craig-
You have to replace the defective drive with one that is at least as large
(capacity)...that's about the only rule. But we suggest using an identical
replacement as it's mirror so you don't run into problems down the road.
And, MAKE SURE YOU PULL THE BAD DRIVE, AND NOT THE GOOD ONE!!
I have A3396As (probably identical to your bad drive) for $75. Need one
overnighted? :)
Let me know if you have questions, although I'm leaving town tomorrow for a
funeral.
Best,
John Lee
HP Account Executive
Vaske Computer Solutions
Edina, MN
952-844-0054
We sell, service, support and integrate HP 3000/9000, new and old, since
1988
At 09:44 AM 4/28/04 -0700, you wrote:
> I have two old Nike Model 10' they just need to be blank formatted
>and not something pulled out of another LUN Thanks! Craig
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>You have to replace the defective drive with one that is at least as \
large</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>(capacity)...that's about the only rule. But we \
suggest using an identical</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>replacement as it's mirror so you \
don't run into problems down the road.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>And, MAKE SURE YOU \
PULL THE BAD DRIVE, AND NOT THE GOOD ONE!!</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>I have A3396As (probably identical to your bad drive) for $75. \
Need one</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>overnighted? :)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Let me know if you have questions, although I'm leaving town tomorrow \
for a</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>funeral.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Best,</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>John Lee</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>HP Account Executive</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Vaske Computer Solutions</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Edina, MN</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>952-844-0054</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>We sell, service, support and integrate HP 3000/9000, new and old, \
since 1988</FONT> </P>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>At 09:44 AM 4/28/04 -0700, you wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> I have two old Nike Model \
10' they just need to be blank formatted</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>>and not something pulled out of another LUN Thanks! \
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Craig,
Some thoughts...
I would think that you'd want to replace it with a similar disk,
because the SP controller knows about the disk parmeters ( it was bound to
the SP). I've never tried to install anything other than as was there
already..so I dont know how the LUN would react if you for example,
replaced the 4.2 GB with a 9GB or other...(maybe it would only use the #
of extents the original disk had...but I dont know)
But I cant think of a reason offhand why you cant replace it with one
that was previously used, or has data on it, or whatever...as long as it
is physically functional (because it starts the rebuild when it is popped
in....)
Dave
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I have two old Nike Model 10's fully populated with 4.2GB disks. We just
had a disk failure, and I seem to recall that when you replace them you
have to match them up almost identically or they could cause the entire LUN
to fail. Or is it that they just need to be blank formatted and not
something pulled out of another LUN no longer in use? Anybody? Thanks!
Craig
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Craig,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Some thoughts...</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2> I would think that you'd want to replace it with a \
similar disk,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>because the SP controller knows about the disk \
parmeters ( it was bound to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>the SP). I've \
never tried to install anything other than as was there</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>already..so I dont know how the LUN would react if you for \
example,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>replaced the 4.2 GB with a 9GB or \
other...(maybe it would only use the #</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>of extents the \
original disk had...but I dont know)</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>But I cant think of a reason offhand why you cant \
replace it with one</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>that was previously used, or has \
data on it, or whatever...as long as it</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>is physically \
functional (because it starts the rebuild when it is popped</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>in....)</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Dave</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I have two old Nike Model 10's fully populated with 4.2GB \
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that when you replace them you</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>have to match them up almost \
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In the case of the 4G disk, you nee to match model numbers as there were two
different capacities for 4G drives. If you mixed the smaller disk in the
larger ones, you could run into problems.
ryan
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if u have a failed disk then
1) pull it out
2) put in a disk of the same size ...regardless of what is on it
FYI: i have 2 of these units and alot of disks if you are looking for any
cheap spares
i have 2GB, 4GB, and i think a few 9GB disks too
marc
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnson, Craig E [mailto:Craig.E.Johnson@icn.siemens.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:44 AM
To: hpux-admin@DutchWorks.nl
Subject: [HPADM] Nike Model 10 Question
I have two old Nike Model 10's fully populated with 4.2GB disks. We just
had a disk failure, and I seem to recall that when you replace them you have
to match them up almost identically or they could cause the entire LUN to
fail. Or is it that they just need to be blank formatted and not something
pulled out of another LUN no longer in use? Anybody? Thanks!
Craig
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<DIV><SPAN class=398574217-28042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>if u
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<DIV><SPAN class=398574217-28042004> <FONT face=Arial
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<DIV><SPAN class=398574217-28042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>FYI: i
have 2 of these units and alot of disks if you are looking for any cheap
spares</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=398574217-28042004> <FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>i have 2GB, 4GB, and i think a few 9GB disks
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Johnson, Craig E
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2004 9:44 AM<BR><B>To:</B> hpux-admin@DutchWorks.nl<BR><B>Subject:</B> [HPADM]
Nike Model 10 Question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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disks. We just had a disk failure, and I seem to recall that when you
replace them you have to match them up almost identically or they could cause
the entire LUN to fail. Or is it that they just need to be blank
formatted and not something pulled out of another LUN</FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2> no longer in use? Anybody? Thanks!</FONT></P>
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You should match them identically not only by size, but my manufacturer.
You will see that some are made by HP, IBM, and SEAGATE.
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From: Johnson, Craig E [mailto:Craig.E.Johnson@icn.siemens.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:44 AM
To: hpux-admin@DutchWorks.nl
Subject: [HPADM] Nike Model 10 Question
I have two old Nike Model 10's fully populated with 4.2GB disks. We just
had a disk failure, and I seem to recall that when you replace them you have
to match them up almost identically or they could cause the entire LUN to
fail. Or is it that they just need to be blank formatted and not something
pulled out of another LUN no longer in use? Anybody? Thanks!
Craig
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 28, 2004
9:44 AM<br>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have two old Nike Model 10's fully populated with
4.2GB disks. We just had a disk failure, and I seem to recall that when
you replace them you have to match them up almost identically or they could
cause the entire LUN to fail. Or is it that they just need to be
blank formatted and not something pulled out of another LUN no longer in
use? Anybody? Thanks!</span></font></p>
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