Hi, I think the 'scribble' chapter in the tutorial, plus the second sample chapter for my book (http://pobox.com/~hp/gnome-app-devel.html) add up to reasonable Gdk documentation. As the book explains (I think), you can also use an Xlib reference effectively. Havoc -- To unsubscribe: mail gtk-app-devel-list-request@redhat.com with "unsubscribe" as the Subject. Mailing list concerns should be mailed to