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Subject: Re: [GRASS-PSC] First draft of call for student grants
From: Markus Neteler <neteler () osgeo ! org>
Date: 2021-11-27 23:06:44
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Hi all,
Some comments inline:
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 1:37 PM Huidae Cho <grass4u@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:40 AM Moritz Lennert <
> mlennert@club.worldonline.be> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Vero, for your feedback (and Vaclav for the direct change) !
>>
>
I took liberty to add some links (what "PSC" and "PR" is may be not that
obvious...).
Here are some comments/replies.
>>
>> Am 15.11.2021 21:35 schrieb Veronica Andreo:
>> > This is great Moritz! Thanks for taking the lead on this and drafting
>> > the call!
>>
>
Thanks a lot!
> Here are my comments/questions:
>> > - _"be eligible to work in the country in which they reside" -->
>> > _maybe this is related to them having a tax number or bank account, no
>> > idea.
>>
>> I think it is more linked to the fact that GSoC pays for a student job,
>> no ? Or is it also considered a grant ?
>>
>
> GSoC is considered an independent (contract?) job according to their FAQ
> [1]?
>
> [1]
> https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq#is_gsoc_considered_an_=
internship_a_job_or_any_form_of_employment
>
> Since our grants are also "service"-based payments, probably, we should
> use the same category for tax purposes?
>
> Another idea is to use the money for "competitions" where students submit
> their "completed" work and we pick a couple of their projects for monetar=
y
> rewards. Not sure about tax implications in this case. It's more of a pri=
ze
> than a pay.
>
Grant vs award vs job probably also depends on where the bank account
resides fiscally.
Now that we are on https://opencollective.com/grass this may matter/help.
[...]
> I think we need different requirements for different categories. Software
> development needs core developers or at least add-on devs depending on th=
e
> repository, I think.
> * Software development
> * Improvement of the manual documentation
> * Educational resources including workshop manuals, user guides, Jupyter
> notebooks
> * etc.
>
I'd agree here.
[...]
> > - In the how to apply section: email with proof of eligibility should
>> > be sent to some of us privately I think for data privacy reasons (?).
>>
>> Yes, that's why I put XYZ as the address. Maybe we can create an
>> @osgeo.org address for this ?
>>
>
> Sounds good.
>
I can do that (it would be an email reflector to XYZ then:
grass-[grants|awards]@osgeo.org --> someone@from.our.team.something
> Would be nice to ask them to introduce themselves to the community
>> > too, no? Probably once accepted.
>>
>> Yes, but not sure this needs to be in the grant procedure description.
>>
>
> I think it's a good idea to promote this grant program. It can be
> considered a letter of interest. Maybe emails with a prefix like "[STUDEN=
T
> GRANTS]".
>
Sounds good.
[...]
>
>> > - Final report: the report in the wiki seems fine to me, could also be
>> > the trac wiki where all the GSoC reports live too.
>>
>> I agree, but this raises the more fundamental question whether in the
>> long run we want to continue with two wikis, especially with the trac
>> wiki, knowing that we do not use trac for anything else anymore.
>>
>
> I agree. We should somehow consolidate the two wikis.
>
I also agree.
Markus
> El lun, 15 nov 2021 a las 13:07, Moritz Lennert
> > (<mlennert@club.worldonline.be>) escribi=C3=B3:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> Following the discussions at today's PSC I've written a first draft
> >> of a
> >> call for student grants:
> >> https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Student_Grants [1].
> >>
> >> Several points still need clarification (see comments in
> >> [brackets]).
> >> Feel free to edit as you see necessary.
> >>
> >> If we really want to go forward with this still before Christmas,
> >> then
> >> we need to have the final version ready by end of next week the
> >> latest.
> >>
> >> Enjoy your weekend !
> >> Moritz
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> grass-psc mailing list
> >> grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org
> >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc [2]
> >
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
> > [1] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Student_Grants
> > [2] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
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<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>Some comments \
inline:<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On \
Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 1:37 PM Huidae Cho <<a \
href="mailto:grass4u@gmail.com">grass4u@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div \
dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:40 AM Moritz Lennert <<a \
href="mailto:mlennert@club.worldonline.be" \
target="_blank">mlennert@club.worldonline.be</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Thanks, Vero, for your feedback (and Vaclav for \
the direct change) !<br></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I \
took liberty to add some links (what "PSC" and "PR" is may be not \
that obvious...).<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div \
class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Here are some comments/replies.<br>
<br>
Am 15.11.2021 21:35 schrieb Veronica Andreo:<br>
> This is great Moritz! Thanks for taking the lead on this and drafting<br>
> the call!<br></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks a \
lot!</div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div \
class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> > Here are my \
comments/questions:<br> > - _"be eligible to work in the country in which \
they reside" --><br> > _maybe this is related to them having a tax number \
or bank account, no<br> > idea.<br>
<br>
I think it is more linked to the fact that GSoC pays for a student job, <br>
no ? Or is it also considered a grant ?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>GSoC is \
considered an independent (contract?) job according to their FAQ \
[1]?</div><div><br></div><div> [1] <a \
href="https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq#is_gsoc_considered_an_internship_a_job_or_any_form_of_employment" \
target="_blank">https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq#is_gsoc_considered_an_internship_a_job_or_any_form_of_employment</a></div><div><br></div><div>Since \
our grants are also "service"-based payments, probably, we should use the \
same category for tax purposes?</div><div><br></div><div>Another idea is to use the \
money for "competitions" where students submit their "completed" \
work and we pick a couple of their projects for monetary rewards. Not sure about tax \
implications in this case. It's more of a prize than a \
pay.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Grant vs award vs job \
probably also depends on where the bank account resides fiscally.</div><div>Now that \
we are on <a href="https://opencollective.com/grass">https://opencollective.com/grass</a> \
this may matter/help.<br></div><div> </div><div>[...]<br></div><div> \
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px \
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div>I think we need different requirements for \
different categories. Software development needs core developers or at least add-on \
devs depending on the repository, I think.</div><div>* Software \
development</div><div>* Improvement of the manual documentation</div><div>* \
Educational resources including workshop manuals, user guides, Jupyter \
notebooks</div><div>* \
etc.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'd agree \
here.<br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>[...]<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div \
class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> > - In the how to \
apply section: email with proof of eligibility should<br> > be sent to some of us \
privately I think for data privacy reasons (?).<br> <br>
Yes, that's why I put XYZ as the address. Maybe we can create an <br>
@<a href="http://osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer" \
id="gmail-m_9214523757319808178tmpid_0045" target="_blank">osgeo.org</a> address for \
this ?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sounds \
good.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I can do that (it would be an \
email reflector to XYZ then:</div><div>grass-[grants|awards]@<a \
href="http://osgeo.org">osgeo.org</a> --> \
someone@from.our.team.something<br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> \
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px \
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
> Would be nice to ask them to introduce themselves to the community<br>
> too, no? Probably once accepted.<br>
<br>
Yes, but not sure this needs to be in the grant procedure \
description.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think it's a good idea to \
promote this grant program. It can be considered a letter of interest. Maybe emails \
with a prefix like "[STUDENT \
GRANTS]".<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sounds \
good.<br></div><div> </div><div>[...]<br></div><div> </div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div \
class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <br>
> - Final report: the report in the wiki seems fine to me, could also be<br>
> the trac wiki where all the GSoC reports live too.<br>
<br>
I agree, but this raises the more fundamental question whether in the <br>
long run we want to continue with two wikis, especially with the trac <br>
wiki, knowing that we do not use trac for anything else \
anymore.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree. We should somehow consolidate \
the two wikis.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I also \
agree.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Markus <br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div \
dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px \
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> > El lun, \
15 nov 2021 a las 13:07, Moritz Lennert<br> > (<<a \
href="mailto:mlennert@club.worldonline.be" id="gmail-m_9214523757319808178tmpid_1160" \
target="_blank">mlennert@club.worldonline.be</a>>) escribió:<br> > <br>
>> Dear all,<br>
>> <br>
>> Following the discussions at today's PSC I've written a first \
draft<br> >> of a<br>
>> call for student grants:<br>
>> <a href="https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Student_Grants" rel="noreferrer" \
id="gmail-m_9214523757319808178tmpid_2893" \
target="_blank">https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Student_Grants</a> [1].<br> >> \
<br> >> Several points still need clarification (see comments in<br>
>> [brackets]).<br>
>> Feel free to edit as you see necessary.<br>
>> <br>
>> If we really want to go forward with this still before Christmas,<br>
>> then<br>
>> we need to have the final version ready by end of next week the<br>
>> latest.<br>
>> <br>
>> Enjoy your weekend !<br>
>> Moritz<br>
>> <br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> grass-psc mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org" \
id="gmail-m_9214523757319808178tmpid_1256" \
target="_blank">grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br> >> <a \
href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc" rel="noreferrer" \
id="gmail-m_9214523757319808178tmpid_5732" \
target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc</a> [2]<br> > \
<br> > <br>
> Links:<br>
> ------<br>
> [1] <a href="https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Student_Grants" rel="noreferrer" \
id="gmail-m_9214523757319808178tmpid_6423" \
target="_blank">https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Student_Grants</a><br> > [2] <a \
href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc" rel="noreferrer" \
id="gmail-m_9214523757319808178tmpid_1581" \
target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc</a></blockquote></div></div></div></div><br></div>
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