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List:       gnome-themes
Subject:    Re: new highcontrast widgets?
From:       Peter Korn <Peter.Korn () Sun ! COM>
Date:       2007-11-06 0:44:50
Message-ID: 472FB902.4060005 () sun ! com
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Hi Willie, Calum,

We might want to bring in some Orca users.

So long as ESC works to dismiss these dialogs, I don't see an impediment 
to removing the CLOSE button.  I guess the issue is that blind users 
wouldn't be able to tell when a dialog box is close-able that way (if 
they can't navigate to an "X" in the window manager in a closeable 
dialog that lacks a window menu with Alt-F4 close on it).  Again, I 
think we should get the input from some users...


Peter

>>> A big stopper for this was apparently the highcontrast themes, where 
>>> the
>>> close button in the corner hit target is pretty small apparently.
>>
>>> Would something like this be doable?
>>> http://andreasn.se/diverse/temp/hc.png
>
> I think it would depend upon the window manager.  I'm not sure what 
> metacity provides for these.  Peter would probably know.
>
>> I'm pretty sure the main accessibility concern was feedback from 
>> screenreader users, who preferred the safety of an explicit Close 
>> button in the main part of instant apply windows-- i.e. one that they 
>> could Tab to, and that a screenreader would announce.  IIRC, there 
>> never used to be any way for screenreader users to tell if there was 
>> a close button in the title bar or not, without pressing Ctrl-W or 
>> Alt-F4 and listening to what happened, which is obviously an 
>> unsatisfactory experience. I don't know off-hand if this situation 
>> has improved with Orca.
>
> Orca certainly doesn't read the decorations of the window manager, and 
> I'm not sure it can get access to them.  So, having something people 
> can tab to would still be useful.
>
> But...before speaking in generalities, do you have specific dialogs we 
> could take a look at?  I want to make sure I understand the problem 
> better.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Will

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