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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
From: gevisz <gevisz () gmail ! com>
Date: 2013-09-06 18:55:27
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2013/9/6 gevisz <gevisz@gmail.com>
>
> 2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
>
>> On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote:
>> > Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close,
>> > Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner.
>> >
>> > Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame
>> > from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close
>> > button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole
>> > screen, and it is extremely inconvenient.
>> >
>> > I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but
>> > somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows
>> > had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the
>> > Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^(
>> >
>> > Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the
>> > sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons "out
>> > of the box" and without recompilation of all the programs that do not do
>> > the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of
>> course).
>> >
>> > However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the
>> > moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome
>> > (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet
>> > with the world map showing the daytime at different locations).
>> >
>> > Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and
>> > Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2.
>>
>>
>> I think the true answer is
>>
>> "You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want"
>>
>> I'm happy to be proved wrong though.
>>
>> If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will
>> last only a short time.
>>
>> Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
>>
>>
> Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far
>
> 1) I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any other
> language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev
> configs),
>
> 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example,
> I can not assign <Win>+<Shift>+<any letter> to any program launcher
> in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome,
>
> 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent
> packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread.
>
> All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back
> compared to Gnome 2
> (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared with
> Gnome 3 :^), as
> have not tried it so far).
>
> P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can
> explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce,
> you are welcome. :^)
>
> I set up toggling the keyboard layout to <rWin> key in
> /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows:
>
> Option "XkbOptions"
> "grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
>
> It works for Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^(
>
> Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the
> Xfce panel,
> but could not find any.
>
>
A short update: after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, which was not included
in the xfce4-meta package
(and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout
indicator. At first, it did not work, that is,
I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. However, later, after
changing some of the plugin's
settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard layout. Interestingly,
the applet continued to switch
the keyboard layout even after I have changed all its settings to the
original ones. Magically, the <rWin>
key also started to switch the keyboard layout.
So, my first and most important objection against Xfce4 is no more valid.
The third one is not
so important. Only the second is a bit annoying but one can live with it.
:^)
Now, my Xfce4 looks almost like my Gnome2. Its weather applet is even more
informative. :^)
However, my original question about Deficient Gnome Window Frames is still
valid.
But not so important any more. :^)
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/6 <span style \
class="">gevisz</span> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gevisz@gmail.com" \
target="_blank"><span style class="">gevisz</span>@gmail.com</a>></span><br> \
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:alan.mckinnon@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">alan.mckinnon@gmail.com</a>></span><br> <blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"> <div><div>On 05/09/2013 \
14:51, gevisz wrote:<br> > Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I \
have a Close,<br> > Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right \
corner.<br> ><br>
> Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame<br>
> from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close<br>
> button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole<br>
> screen, and it is extremely inconvenient.<br>
><br>
> I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but<br>
> somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows<br>
> had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the<br>
> Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^(<br>
><br>
> Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the<br>
> sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons "out<br>
> of the box" and without recompilation of all the programs that do not \
do<br> > the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of \
course).<br> ><br>
> However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the<br>
> moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome<br>
> (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet<br>
> with the world map showing the daytime at different locations).<br>
><br>
> Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and<br>
> Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div></div>I think the true answer is<br>
<br>
"You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want"<br>
<br>
I'm happy to be proved wrong though.<br>
<br>
If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will<br>
last only a short time.<br>
</div></div><span><font color="#888888"><br>
Alan McKinnon
<a href="mailto:alan.mckinnon@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">alan.mckinnon@gmail.com</a><br> \
<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Currently, Gnome works better than \
Xfce for me, because so far<br><br></div><div>1) I found no way to switch keyboard \
layout from English to any other<br></div><div> language (while Gnome and DWM do \
this after tackling with evdev<br>
</div><div> configs),<br></div><div><br>2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot \
key bindings, for example,<br></div><div> I can not assign \
<Win>+<Shift>+<any letter> to any program launcher<br>
</div><div> in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome,<br></div><div><br>3) installing \
Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent<br></div><div> packages, but I \
like to stick to the stable thread.<br><br></div><div>
All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back compared to Gnome \
2<br></div><div>(but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared \
with Gnome 3 :^), as<br></div><div>have not tried it so far).<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if \
somebody can<br></div><div> explain how to setup language keyboad layout \
switch in Fxce,<br></div><div> you are welcome. :^)<br>
<br></div><div> I set up toggling the keyboard layout to <rWin> key \
in<br></div><div> /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows:<br><br> \
Option "XkbOptions" \
"grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"<br>
</div></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"> It works for Gnome and DWM but \
not for Xfce. :^(<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"> Moreover, I need the \
keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the Xfce panel,<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"> but could not find any.<br><br></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">A short update: after \
installing xfce4-<span style class="">xkb</span>-<span style class="">plugin</span>, \
which was not included in the xfce4-meta package<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"> \
(and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout indicator. At \
first, it did not work, that is,<br>I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. \
However, later, after changing some of the <span style \
class="">plugin's</span><br> settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard \
layout. Interestingly, the applet continued to switch<br>the keyboard layout even \
after I have changed all its settings to the original ones. Magically, the <<span \
style class="">rWin</span>><br> key also started to switch the keyboard \
layout.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">So, my first and most important \
objection against Xfce4 is no more valid. The third one is not<br></div><div \
class="gmail_extra">so important. Only the second is a bit annoying but one can live \
with it. :^)<br> <br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Now, my Xfce4 looks almost like \
my Gnome2. Its weather applet is even more informative. :^)<br><br></div><div \
class="gmail_extra">However, my original question about <span class="">Deficient \
Gnome Window Frames is still valid.<br> <br></span></div><div \
class="gmail_extra"><span class="">But not so important any more. \
:^)<br></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div>
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