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List:       gentoo-project
Subject:    Re: [gentoo-project] Social Contract clean-up
From:       Chris Reffett <creffett () gentoo ! org>
Date:       2018-03-31 22:13:13
Message-ID: 58d21537-0e7a-48b2-f7a5-83d653ca61fe () gentoo ! org
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On 3/31/2018 6:01 PM, Daniel Robbins wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Daniel Robbins <drobbins@funtoo.org 
> <mailto:drobbins@funtoo.org>> wrote:
> 
>     On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org
>     <mailto:rich0@gentoo.org>> wrote:
> 
>         You act as if Gentoo is doing something egregious here.   In
>         fact, I'm
>         not aware of any organization that operates in the manner you
>         suggest.
>         If you were aware of one you'd be citing it instead of arguing
>         in the
>         abstract.
> 
> 
>     Please pardon my language, but I think your comment merits this kind
>     of response -- are you fucking kidding me? So you are unaware of any
>     organization that produces software which solicits feedback from the
>     people who actually use the software? EVERY organization does this.
>     Find me one that doesn't. The burden of proof is on you.
> 
> 
> Also, Rich, I think it's unfortunate that you don't see the benefit of 
> having input from users in regards to software development. We clearly 
> disagree on this topic, so I don't see the point of continuing 
> discussion with you on this list.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Daniel

You've completely misrepresented Rich's position here. He was saying 
that he isn't aware of software organizations which give their users a 
direct and formal part of the decision-making process (that is, a vote), 
and you turned that around and accused him of saying that software 
organizations don't solicit user feedback. Those are two completely 
separate things -- user feedback drives software development, certainly, 
but that's not the same as giving users a direct vote on the development 
process. Users can submit all the feedback they want, and it's obviously 
beneficial to listen to them, but in the end, it's the 
company(/organization/whatever) that decides what to work on.

-creffett

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