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On =C5=9Broda, 17 maja 2017 09:46:47 CEST Dale wrote:
> Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote:
> > On =C5=9Bro, 2017-05-17 at 01:54 -0500, Dale wrote:
> >> Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote:
> >>> On wto, 2017-05-16 at 17:17 -0500, Dale wrote:
> >>>> Rich Freeman wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> What stops me, is seeing someone who wants to help get shut down by
> >>>>>> others
> >>>>>> just because they don't like him and in my opinion, targets him
> >>>>>> whenever
> >>>>>> possible.
> >>>>>=20
> >>>>> You're making assumptions about motives.  The fact is that you don't
> >>>>> have any knowledge about why some people aren't welcome in the
> >>>>> community.
> >>>>=20
> >>>> Actually, I'm basing it on what I can clearly see.  If I can see it,
> >>>> don't you think others can too?  Again, ignoring it, trying to force
> >>>> people not to talk about it, doesn't help the problem.  Like I said,=
 I
> >>>> been around Gentoo for a long time.  I won't be a dev because of lots
> >>>> of
> >>>> things over the years I've seen happen, most of them in public.
> >>>=20
> >>> No. You won't become a dev because you are not doing *anything* but
> >>> talking. Just like a number of other people on this mailing list who =
are
> >>> rejected because of lack of willingness to do anything useful, and th=
en
> >>> they claim that they reject Gentoo because it is so bad.
> >>>=20
> >>> Just FYI because I'm getting tired of this recurring theme.
> >>=20
> >> So you are ignoring some of the possible solutions and changes I
> >> included in my other posts?  That is called doing something and I might
> >> add, is more than most others are doing.  Most others seem to want to
> >> ignore the problems for a while longer.  Then wonder why people keep
> >> talking about it.
> >=20
> > No, I am ignoring most of your posts because I do not have time to read
> > them. Those parts which I've read are long and talk of nothing. As far
> > as I'm concerned, your contributions are 90% wasting others' time on
> > reading what you wrote.
> >=20
> > Before you start solving problems in Gentoo, focus on problems with
> > yourself.
>=20
> Maybe you should take your own??  Since you ignore most of my posts, no
> wonder you don't see the information I'm providing.  You have to read
> them to see it.  If you don't want to read them, why are you commenting
> on them?  If I'm not going to bother to read your posts, I'm not going
> to comment on it either.  I read yours.  Try reading mine or not
> commenting thinking you know what is in it when you don't.   So far,
> your posts bring 100% nothing to the table.  Your post is a 100% waste
> of time.  Maybe you need to work on that and actually discuss the topic
> instead?
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> >> Do you have any solutions you would like to post?  Or do you just want
> >> to ignore that someone just posted that they are "incredibly
> >> disappointed in the Gentoo Java team."?   How many more need to post
> >> something like that before you actually post something that will help
> >> solve the problem?  Let's hear your ideas on a solution.
> >=20
> > One good solution would be to kick most of the non-developers out of
> > this mailing list, so that discussion can focus back on Gentoo, and not
> > on self-pity of one ex-dev diverted so any times that I have no idea
> > what the topic is anymore. Last I read, it's about who is trolling who,
> > and why trolling is good as long as you pretend it's important.
> >=20
> > Then maybe people will have time to work on Gentoo rather than be
> > distracted by useless spam. Then maybe they will be able to accept
> > contributions.
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[snip]
> Since you mention spam.  Your post brings absolutely nothing to the
> topic.

Micha=C5=82 first and foremost gets his hands dirty with actual work - bugf=
ixing,=20
package bumps, countless eclass/profiles/infra improvements.
This is the 'anything useful' that was mentioned and is what is needed and=
=20
most appreciated in Gentoo.

Sending emails on mailing list with whatever brilliant idea just one might=
=20
come up with while not being willing/able to realize with own hands -=20
especially when related to meta problems like this one - is not kind of=20
contribution Gentoo needs.

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regards
MM
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