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Subject:    Re: [gentoo-project] Fw: Your temporary 2 week suspension on interacting on the Gentoo Github page
From:       "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt-ml () o-sinc ! com>
Date:       2017-05-17 15:41:06
Message-ID: assp.0310b4a069.20170517114106.1c51d75b () o-sinc ! com
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On Wed, 17 May 2017 17:26:55 +0200
"Paweł Hajdan, Jr." <phajdan.jr@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> I'd like to share some thoughts on this (hopefully not making things
> even worse):
> 
> 1. William, posts like above
> (<https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/1721#issuecomment-300178677>)
> don't seem to help your case. GitHub could be one of the last few
> places where Gentoo would be able to accept contributions from you as
> a non-developer.

I stopped long ago due to the people running Gentoo's Github. Excessive
reviews of PR that introduced new issues in at least 1 case. It was a
waste of time. Though prior to such I did get a few things in that way.
I had high hope as it was the first time an outsider could effect large
change, like say package removal. Though still requires proxy, not to
mention when the review causes issues.

Sunrise and Github PRs are not even bandaids on a gashing wound. Gentoo
needs more developers not outside contributors! For every outside
contributor, it requires at least 1 Gentoo dev to proxy. If not several
for review, etc. Time is better spent recruiting said contributor.

> 2. The ban is not permanent (yet?) - my understanding is it expires in
> two weeks. This still gives you chance to positively contribute to
> Gentoo. Based on the experience so far, I'd urge you to limit it to
> uncontroversial technical matters, at least for some time.

When will people learn. When you ban or drive away a contributor. They
do not always come back. How does such an action motivate anyone to
contribute more? It has the complete opposite effect!

This was the case in 2008. I left for MANY years. There are things
STILL in tree that I was working on removing then. Even worse most any
package I maintained is still without a maintainer, a decade later.

Gentoo has some serious lessons to learn it still has not.

> 3. I can understand the frustration of people involved. The PR did not
> land in ~year, even though the ebuilds added were hard-masked. The
> risk of landing it was minimal, and it could provide good basis for
> further contributions. Let me know if I missed an important reason
> not to let it land. Finding some way to un-block developments like
> these could be one of more productive directions for this
> conversation.

Not sure exactly what your saying here. The problem is the same as all.
To accept/merge the contribution is trivial. To maintain the
contribution is where the issue comes into play.

The lack of man power issue...

Thus if no one can keep current and maintain, or has the time to
continue to proxy. The contribution is turned away.

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.

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