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List:       gentoo-project
Subject:    Re: [gentoo-project] Fw: Your temporary 2 week suspension on interacting on the Gentoo Github page
From:       "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" <jmbsvicetto () gentoo ! org>
Date:       2017-05-17 11:19:12
Message-ID: alpine.LNX.2.00.1705171049180.7799 () woodpecker ! gentoo ! org
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On Tue, 16 May 2017, Dale wrote:

> Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Rich Freeman wrote:

I'm going to reply to short snippets of your e-mail.

>> Do you think that anybody really enjoys going through all this
>> headache just to boot somebody?  That's why most code of conduct
>> violations end up being ignored.

CoC issues were always meant to be dealt with warnings and short bans from 
specific mediums. The most serious issues are covered by other policies.

>> I challenge you to actually get yourself banned around here.  It
>> probably wouldn't even occur to you what you'd have to do to
>> accomplish this.  Why do you think we let countless people complain
>> about this stuff on the lists without just suppressing it?

Rich,

I understand the frustration, but let's please not incite bad behaviour.

> According to the email that William forwarded that he got from comrel,

To clear one piece of misinformation, William didn't got any email from 
ComRel. His ban from github wasn't issued by ComRel.

> I see a theme here.  Gentoo has had a few problems for quite a while.
> Based on what I've read over the past few months and certainly the past
> few days, I don't see that changing anytime soon.  10 years from now, it
> will be the same.

Dale,

yes we're aware we have some issues. Several of us have acknowledged that.
The main issue we have is lack of man power, in general and on specific 
areas. Then we have developers losing motivation and getting burned up by 
having to deal with the same discussions time and again and by feeling 
they're being "bullied" by someone in the Community.
Some developers are  reaching a "tipping point". We need them to go out, 
take a breath and relax. But that doesn't excuse a behaviour of pushing 
individual's buttons and trying to cause as much havoc as possible.

About "censorship", if our goal had been to "silence" someone or to 
prevent "dissent opinion", we would have banned emails and cleaned up
archives a long time ago. The shear number of emails from the individual 
that has "cried foul" is evidence alone that he hasn't been silenced. A 
quick glance over the archives will easily show up divergent opinions.

Finally, for all the conspiracy claims going around, there have been in 
the last years 2 former developers making a fuss about not being let in.
As a ComRel member, that won't go into details regarding the specific
cases, I can inform the community that there are valid reasons for them 
not to be let in and that most of their claims aren't accurate or true.
If one goes around setting fires everywhere, burning all bridges and 
openly being hostile to everyone, it can't be a surprise if one is deemed 
"not wanted".

Best regards,
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
Gentoo Developer


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