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List:       gentoo-project
Subject:    Re: [gentoo-project] Fw: Your temporary 2 week suspension on interacting on the Gentoo Github page
From:       Dale <rdalek1967 () gmail ! com>
Date:       2017-05-17 3:17:24
Message-ID: 7fc0f22e-896d-bffd-2a0f-6241eec78c94 () gmail ! com
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Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Rich Freeman wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> What stops me, is seeing someone who wants to help get shut down by others
>>>> just because they don't like him and in my opinion, targets him whenever
>>>> possible.
>>> You're making assumptions about motives.  The fact is that you don't
>>> have any knowledge about why some people aren't welcome in the
>>> community.
>> Actually, I'm basing it on what I can clearly see.
> That is the problem.  You probably didn't witness the stuff that has
> gotten people booted.  Hence you're on a crusade to defend the
> innocent.
>
> Do you think that anybody really enjoys going through all this
> headache just to boot somebody?  That's why most code of conduct
> violations end up being ignored.
>
> I challenge you to actually get yourself banned around here.  It
> probably wouldn't even occur to you what you'd have to do to
> accomplish this.  Why do you think we let countless people complain
> about this stuff on the lists without just suppressing it?
>

So, I didn't go read the post William made that got him booted off
github?  I read the post that was linked to and skimmed the rest of it. 
According to the email that William forwarded that he got from comrel,
the message that started this thread, that post is why he was booted off
github.  What is it that I'm not seeing in that post?  Is there a part
of that post that is only visible to you and comrel? 

As I said, my point isn't just or even mostly about years ago or just
William, it is about a few days or so ago and even before that when the
other person was ignored..  William was booted for something I would
have done myself if I was active there and saw it.  Would that get me
booted too?  If not, why did it get William booted?  If it would, then
why did the other person who got ignored and was unhappy not booted
too?  Or was he also booted for not being happy with being ignored?  The
last post he made was this:  "I'm incredibly disappointed in the Gentoo
Java team."  That was before William made his post.  That person is
already disappointed with Gentoo and the java team.  William is too.  Is
it fair to boot one and not the other??  Neither post was positive for
Gentoo.  I'd translate the last part to 'I'm done with Gentoo'.  If I'm
seeing his account correctly, he hasn't been active since his last
post.  I'm not a github guru tho.

As I posted before, you seem to ignore the recent problem by trying to
bring up the past and focusing on that.  Let what happened years ago go
for the moment.  What about what happened in the past week or so?  That
part that I am seeing.

Also, what about the person that was ignored?  What was he guilty of? 
Why am I bringing him up if I'm on some sort of "crusade"?  Shouldn't
someone have had the common courtesy to post something there since it
seems William's post wasn't liked?  I didn't see anyone else that posted
any details of why it ended the way it did.  That is another problem I
was trying to address which seems to want to be ignored.  Sort of a
common theme on that.  No wonder people are not banging the Gentoo doors
down to help.  Put in all that effort only to be ignored?  Yea, that
wins them over. 

I see a theme here.  Gentoo has had a few problems for quite a while. 
Based on what I've read over the past few months and certainly the past
few days, I don't see that changing anytime soon.  10 years from now, it
will be the same. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 


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