--nextPart2659035.E4JvM8GHgC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On czwartek, 13 pa=C5=BAdziernika 2016 17:27:39 CEST Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny= wrote: > On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 10:15:47 -0400 >=20 > "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > > On Thursday, October 13, 2016 5:16:48 AM EDT Rich Freeman wrote: > > > 2. The Foundation needs to focus first and foremost on keeping the > > > lights on. Right now there are 10 periodic activities that the > > > Foundation needs to perform to be in compliance with the law/etc, and > > > according to the public records of the Foundation we're current on 6 > > > of them. Not all are equally important, and maybe we're just bad at > > > recordkeeping, but it isn't a great sign. ( > > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Activity_Tracker ) > >=20 > > This is self inflicted. Driving people away who may help keep the > > foundation in order. If you look at the past, it was the foundation > > neglect that got me involved... > >=20 > > I did things in a brief period that others had not up till that point. > > Including Foundation Reinstatement with New Mexico, Obtaining a Bank > > Account, and formal by law review and modification on -nfp. So the draft > > that existed since the Foundation was created could become adopted and > > official. As it was just after I resigned. I also found Gentoo's EIN/TIN > > number. > >=20 > > This was all in ~6 months. Had I remained as a Trustee, things with the > > IRS > > and other would have been in order. That things are not in order, shows > > when you drive one away, another does not always replace them. The > > foundation suffered, and Gentoo Java. > >=20 > > For what benefit? For the benefit of saving the distro from a potential > > toxic person. Which ends up just setting things back. > >=20 > > > 3. I've yet to see any evidence that Comrel has actually done > > > anything wrong. > >=20 > > Which is why an appeal is pointless with some commenting being on the > > council. > >=20 > > I have factually shown Comrel does not follow procedures. Not in 2008, = nor > > 2015. That a council member can make a statement that comrel has done no > > wrong. Where do you go from there? > >=20 > > Facts have been presented about Comrel not following policy. Yet such a > > comment from a council member who keeps talking about appeal. It really > > goes to show the root of the problems, much deeper than just comrel. > >=20 > > Flat out denial.... > >=20 > > > We also have an active thread where > > >=20 > > > somebody is complaining about Comrel but refuses to actually appeal, > > > and has commented in the thread that he thinks it is unlikely that his > > > appeal would be successful. > >=20 > > I have publicly polled the sentiment of the community and some were > > members of the council that would be voting on any appeal. The comments > > show how people feel on the matter. An appeal would be further waste of > > time. Given the flat out denial to comrel not following policy, yet > > saying they do no wrong. > >=20 > > So if I do not follow policy, do not use repoman and break things in tr= ee. > > I am not doing wrong? Failure to follow policy is doing wrong... > >=20 > > If the general community much less council member do not see that > > publicly. > > What point is there to any appeal? > >=20 > > > I think there is room for improvement here, but I think it would be a > > > mistake to do something drastic. > >=20 > > And that is why an appeal is pointless. You are bias and not open minde= d. > > What if you are wrong? What if it would be a mistake to NOT do something > > drastic? > No, the appeal is pointless because it's far too late for it to make > any sense. As you say, it was 8 years ago. Get over it. Move on with > your life. It's all fun to hear stories of the past but hearing random > parts of your story over and over again is past bearing of most of > the people on this mailing list, other mailing lists, IRC and wherever > you keep sending them. >=20 > So, please stop. If you really want to tell your story so much, write > a consistent, complete autobiography with all the bits in one place. If > you want to do something about Gentoo, set up a proper plan and start > working on it. Make things happen by hard work and cooperation, rather > than complaints, whining, accusations, preaching and everything else > you seem to be doing around here. >=20 > And do something about your ego. Yes, we know you were the most > important person in the whole world, you already told us that. You > and your old friends, most of whom are not involved in Gentoo anymore. > That's all cool but that's the past. Now there are new people > in Gentoo, whether you like it or not. Those new people have put a lot > of effort into various aspects of Gentoo. Now those people are Gentoo > developers, and you are a newcomer to them. >=20 > If you want to do something about Gentoo, then do it. But start > respecting the others, not only the people who made up Gentoo back > in your days, and stop expecting to suddenly get all the privileges > that you had many years ago back. >=20 > Gentoo developers aren't perfect. We can live with many toxic people > because they are able to give Gentoo something in return. However, if > the potential issues clearly overrule the potential benefit... +1. This had to be said.. Perhaps Micha=C5=82 should have picked different words here and there but I= can=20 totally get the frustration. Ego is always the best utilized in code. =2D-=20 regards MM --nextPart2659035.E4JvM8GHgC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEABECAAYFAlgD1YQACgkQFuHa/bHpVdszfQCfW7LVwoh15W8AwGdyaaVHmsYG WusAnRc5jc+WjnpRK+7FImMnBLO1QJg7 =pcDu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2659035.E4JvM8GHgC--