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List:       gentoo-project
Subject:    Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Council 2014 / 2015 election
From:       Seemant Kulleen <seemantk () gmail ! com>
Date:       2014-07-04 19:15:55
Message-ID: CAJEWDoUFV842z23-gTrUc9XxRJFwtfmXQCTLJz6bm5UdSjMmrg () mail ! gmail ! com
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Hi Denis,

You're obviously frustrated (and you might even be giving voice to more
than just your own feeling, here).

I didn't read Rich's replies as ordering anyone around.  In fact, I dare
say Rich is very consistent at suggesting and discussing, but I have yet to
witness him order someone around on this list.

I have had no personal interaction with him (ever), but he doesn't seem
like an order-around kinda guy here.

Having said all of that, there's a LOT of baggage around Gentoo's
leadership. You (Denis) know from our private conversations that that
baggage started around 2002/3 and that I've been carrying a lot of
emotional baggage as well.

But this is 2014. This is now, this is a time that we can shed baggage,
because it serves no other purpose than to weigh us down. There's nobody
left to blame.

I ask, as user, that you please take a more charitable approach to everyone
on the team with the simple understanding that everyone in their own way
just wants to improve Gentoo.

Thanks again,

Seemant



On 4 July 2014 12:06, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Seemant Kulleen <seemantk@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I'm sorry to speak publicly, but isn't this email exactly the kind of
> > attitude we're trying to reverse. As a senior member of the project, I
> > really would hope you set a better example of the change that you,
> yourself,
> > have said you wanted to see.
>
> You are perfectly right to speak publicly. The point I was trying to
> make in this email is very simple. The only good way of changing how a
> team operates, for better or worse, is to join it. Ordering people
> around without actually doing anything only works if you're the one
> signing the paychecks.
>
> Have we reached a point where council members are such divas that they
> can't even be told when they missed a perfectly good opportunity to
> shut up?
>
> Denis.
>
>

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<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi Denis,<br><br></div>You&#39;re obviously \
frustrated (and you might even be giving voice to more than just your own feeling, \
here).<br><br></div>I didn&#39;t read Rich&#39;s replies as ordering anyone around.   \
In fact, I dare say Rich is very consistent at suggesting and discussing, but I have \
yet to witness him order someone around on this list.<br>

<br>I have had no personal interaction with him (ever), but he doesn&#39;t seem like \
an order-around kinda guy here.<br><br></div>Having said all of that, there&#39;s a \
LOT of baggage around Gentoo&#39;s leadership. You (Denis) know from our private \
conversations that that baggage started around 2002/3 and that I&#39;ve been carrying \
a lot of emotional baggage as well.<br>

<br>But this is 2014. This is now, this is a time that we can shed baggage, because \
it serves no other purpose than to weigh us down. There&#39;s nobody left to \
blame.<br><br></div>I ask, as user, that you please take a more charitable approach \
to everyone on the team with the simple understanding that everyone in their own way \
just wants to improve Gentoo.<br>

<br>Thanks again,<br><br>Seemant<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">On 4 July 2014 12:06, Denis Dupeyron <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a \
href="mailto:calchan@gentoo.org" target="_blank">calchan@gentoo.org</a>&gt;</span> \
wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="">On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Seemant \
Kulleen &lt;<a href="mailto:seemantk@gmail.com">seemantk@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>


&gt; I&#39;m sorry to speak publicly, but isn&#39;t this email exactly the kind \
of<br> &gt; attitude we&#39;re trying to reverse. As a senior member of the project, \
I<br> &gt; really would hope you set a better example of the change that you, \
yourself,<br> &gt; have said you wanted to see.<br>
<br>
</div>You are perfectly right to speak publicly. The point I was trying to<br>
make in this email is very simple. The only good way of changing how a<br>
team operates, for better or worse, is to join it. Ordering people<br>
around without actually doing anything only works if you&#39;re the one<br>
signing the paychecks.<br>
<br>
Have we reached a point where council members are such divas that they<br>
can&#39;t even be told when they missed a perfectly good opportunity to<br>
shut up?<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Denis.<br>
<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>



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