[prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread]
List: gentoo-project
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Council 2014 / 2015 election
From: Chris Reffett <creffett () gentoo ! org>
Date: 2014-07-01 17:14:54
Message-ID: a1eb11c5-3060-4573-b172-3f542b2a0123 () email ! android ! com
[Download RAW message or body]
On July 1, 2014 1:02:34 PM EDT, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:41 PM, hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >
> > From what I see you are on both council and comrel. I think that is a
> > conflict of interest.
> >
>
> The term "conflict of interest" gets thrown around rather loosely IMHO.
>
> A conflict of interest is when somebody stands to personally gain from
> a decision. If somebody on the council or comrel banned you from an
> IRC channel, and you brought this to comrel, then it would be a
> conflict of interest if the accused party voted on their own case.
> Anything short of this really isn't a true conflict IMHO.
>
> Many courts will hear appeals with a small number of judges with the
> possibility to appeal to a larger set of judges, and the original
> judges get to vote in both cases. That isn't a conflict of interest -
> just division of labor.
>
> When you appeal a Comrel case to the Council the purpose of the appeal
> is to decide what to do with the parties involved - it isn't a
> judgement on Comrel itself, though Comrel should be guided by the
> decision in any future actions it takes.
>
> Anybody dissatisfied with a Comrel decision can appeal to Council,
> which is a group of 7 people selected by the developer community to
> represent them.
>
> But, anyone is free to not vote for Comrel members.
>
> Rich
Moreover, I think that anyone who is both comrel/council would recuse himself from a vote if it \
the vote's outcome directly affected him. That is, if I were to (for example) start a comrel \
complaint against dilfridge, and then appealed it to council, I'm certain that he would abstain \
from voting in the matter because that is explicitly a conflict of interest since one of the \
vote options clearly benefits him. If he voted on a case that he handled as a member of comrel, \
however, that isn't a conflict of interest because he doesn't stand to gain from the vote \
(unless comrel starts rewarding people for getting the most "convictions," in which case I \
think we have bigger problems to deal with...)
Chris Reffett
[Attachment #3 (text/html)]
<html><head></head><body><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On July 1, 2014 1:02:34 PM EDT, Rich \
Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt \
0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre \
class="k9mail">On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:41 PM, hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org> wrote:<br \
/><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid \
#729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><br /> From what I see you are on both council and comrel. I think \
that is a<br /> conflict of interest.</blockquote><br /><br />The term "conflict of interest" \
gets thrown around rather loosely IMHO.<br /><br />A conflict of interest is when somebody \
stands to personally gain from<br />a decision. If somebody on the council or comrel banned \
you from an<br />IRC channel, and you brought this to comrel, then it would be a<br />conflict \
of interest if the accused party voted on their own case.<br />Anything short of this really \
isn't a true conflict IMHO.<br /><br />Many courts will hear appeals with a small number of \
judges with the<br />possibility to appeal to a larger set of judges, and the original<br \
/>judges get to vote in both cases. That isn't a conflict of interest -<br />just division of \
labor.<br /><br />When you appeal a Comrel case to the Council the purpose of the appeal<br \
/>is to decide what to do with the parties involved - it isn't a<br />judgement on Comrel \
itself, though Comrel should be guided by the<br />decision in any future actions it takes.<br \
/><br />Anybody dissatisfied with a Comrel decision can appeal to Council,<br />which is a \
group of 7 people selected by the developer community to<br />represent them.<br /><br />But, \
anyone is free to not vote for Comrel members.<br /><br />Rich<br /><br \
/></pre></blockquote></div></body></html>
[prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread]
Configure |
About |
News |
Add a list |
Sponsored by KoreLogic