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List:       gentoo-dev
Subject:    Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFD] Adopt-a-package, proxy-maintenance, and other musings
From:       Daniel Campbell <zlg () gentoo ! org>
Date:       2016-01-25 0:08:13
Message-ID: 56A5676D.401 () gentoo ! org
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On 01/23/2016 12:52 AM, Ian Delaney wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:30:14 -0800 Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
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>> On 01/21/2016 02:41 PM, waltdnes@waltdnes.org wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 06:45:20PM +0100, Micha?? Górny wrote
>>> 
>> [...] [...] [...]
>>> 
>>> I think you misunderstood Roy.  He was speaking about 
>>> "unmaintained but perfectly functional software".  You're
>>> talking about "a package that clearly doesn't build or
>>> otherwise simply doesn't work, could not have worked for past 3
>>> years".  Between those 2 extremes will be many cases of 
>>> doesn't-work-for-me/works-for-me.  Who'll be the final
>>> arbiter?
>>> 
>>> Maybe we should start a "gentoo-ebuilds" mailing list to help 
>>> regular users learn the ins and outs of making ebuilds.  Once 
>>> regular users run a lot of their own ebuilds from their local 
>>> overlays, then it would be possible to do draconian pruning of
>>> the "official portage tree", without so adversely affecting
>>> regular users.  This would fit in with the mantra of Gentoo
>>> being about freedom of choice.
>>> 
>>> E.g. I use Pale Moon, a fork of Firefox.  Currently, I have to 
>>> build as regular user, su, and copy the binary to /usr/local.
>>> You can see "Walter's excellent adventure" <G> as I learn the
>>> build process at... 
>>> https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=10002
>>> 
>>> I'd like to have Portage manage the process.  The ebuild from 
>>> Firefox should serve as a template, because they both use the
>>> same weird Mozilla build setup.  The main change should be
>>> where the source is pulled from.
>>> 
> 
>> The idea sounds nice, but there's already the devmanual to cover 
>> ebuild development, and now that the gentoo repo is in git, any 
>> ebuilds that get treecleaned can be fetched again through
>> history, and users can then add those to their personal
>> overlay(s) and keep the piece if they break.
> 
>> I like the idea of encouraging people to learn good ebuild
>> writing, but who really has the time and skill to teach it?
> 
> 
> me. Been doing it for months. You had not noticed? via 
> #gentoo-proxy-maint, which I made from scratch, despite the notion 
> initially being discounted by one mrueg. He now is a colleague in
> the channel.
> 
I didn't, actually. I guess the only thing I've seen as a result of
your work is possibly more new devs. That's pretty awesome, though; I
had no idea. I can't speak for other devs but I respect people who
have the patience and gift to teach people. You helped me a little
when I was becoming a developer and I appreciate it.

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