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List:       gentoo-dev
Subject:    Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: more help needed with gcc-4.8 stabilization, chromium starts heavily using C++1
From:       Tom Wijsman <TomWij () gentoo ! org>
Date:       2014-11-28 13:54:24
Message-ID: 20141128145424.00006fbc () gentoo ! org
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:52:07 -0500
Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Tom Wijsman <TomWij@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:34:33 +0000 (UTC)
> > Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> While it pains me to say this, unfortunately it looks like we have
> >> another "toxic person" situation to deal with, with all the
> >> implications that come with it. Maybe it's time to deal with it.
> >
> > Toxic wars have casualties; in one of the sides, or in both of them.
> >
> > IOTW; you're already dealing with it, you can only change the
> > outcome.
> >
> 
> Can you be clear as to what you're recommending?

To look at the outcome and shape it for the better, whichever way fits.

> Are you suggesting that instead of trying to mediate between people
> who don't get a long, it would be better to just pick one or the other
> as the winner and boot the other out?

"..., or in both of them"; and to be complete, let me add "or neither".

> One of the challenges here is that if we were talking about just one
> productive person who tended to drive everybody away that would be one
> thing.  The problem is that we have a lot of productive people who
> have different sorts of personality quirks.  They range from blowing
> up in public, to constant passive-aggression, to just silently doing
> their own thing completely ignoring any input whatsoever.  I'm sure I
> missed a few, like writing excessively-long emails.  :)

The challenge lies in how far to push and/or hold back people and/or
their content; exploring the spectrum between active and passive
moderation, as well as the different types of warnings and actions.
One or more clear positive messages, followed by an action of 24h, ...

> I guess one of the advantages of a model where devs turn into
> reviewers instead of authors is that you can prioritize people skills
> since their main role isn't to actually write the code so much as to
> coordinate things.  However, this assumes that people would still
> contribute in such a model.

It also assumes the model to change attitude.

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