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List:       gentoo-dev
Subject:    Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency
From:       Gordon Pettey <petteyg359 () gmail ! com>
Date:       2014-11-23 17:54:43
Message-ID: CAHY5Mee8L-i=j_ce0-avGx1SiEbAxjdoxksWEvu7vqaQC66NBg () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 1:14 PM, William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:05:03AM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> > That's at most an argument that USE="-*" should be a theoretically valid
> > configuration. It does not mean that the setting makes sense for anyone.
> >
> > USE="-*" was maybe a reasonable idea before we had use defaults.
> >
> > Now, by setting USE="-*", you deviate from upstream defaults at random
> places
> > and pointlessly mess up the dependency calculations of python / ruby /
> > multilib / ... packages.
> >
> > Message to users- if you want a minimum set of useflags, start from the
> main
> > default profile of your arch. That's what it is for. Everything else,
> and you
> > sure get to keep the pieces.
>
> Agreed. If you want to turn things off, I would recommend starting your
> use with something like:
>
> USE="-foo -bar -bas ..."
>
> so that you turn off the specific things you want to turn off.


That's quite infeasible given the number of package-level defaults. It is
far easier to parse conflicts when I know anything that has been enabled
was explicitly enabled by myself,and not through random-maintainer-X's
preference. 3743 package-level defaults of 1474 USEs is just a few too
many. Starting with USE="-*" provides sanity. As has been said so many
times in this and related threads, if users wanted upstream's defaults, we
wouldn't be using a distro with USE.

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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 \
at 1:14 PM, William Hubbs <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:williamh@gentoo.org" \
target="_blank">williamh@gentoo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:05:03AM +0100, Andreas \
K. Huettel wrote:<br> &gt; That&#39;s at most an argument that USE=&quot;-*&quot; \
should be a theoretically valid<br> &gt; configuration. It does not mean that the \
setting makes sense for anyone.<br> &gt;<br>
&gt; USE=&quot;-*&quot; was maybe a reasonable idea before we had use defaults.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Now, by setting USE=&quot;-*&quot;, you deviate from upstream defaults at random \
places<br> &gt; and pointlessly mess up the dependency calculations of python / ruby \
/<br> &gt; multilib / ... packages.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Message to users- if you want a minimum set of useflags, start from the main<br>
&gt; default profile of your arch. That&#39;s what it is for. Everything else, and \
you<br> &gt; sure get to keep the pieces.<br>
<br>
Agreed. If you want to turn things off, I would recommend starting your<br>
use with something like:<br>
<br>
USE=&quot;-foo -bar -bas ...&quot;<br>
<br>
so that you turn off the specific things you want to turn \
off.</blockquote><div><br>That&#39;s quite infeasible given the number of \
package-level defaults. It is far easier to parse conflicts when I know anything that \
has been enabled was explicitly enabled by myself,and not through \
random-maintainer-X&#39;s preference. 3743 package-level defaults of 1474 USEs is \
just a few too many. Starting with USE=&quot;-*&quot; provides sanity. As has been \
said so many times in this and related threads, if users wanted upstream&#39;s \
defaults, we wouldn&#39;t be using a distro with USE.<br></div></div></div></div>



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