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List:       gentoo-dev
Subject:    Re: [gentoo-dev] About current ppc/ppc64 status
From:       Jack Morgan <jmorgan () gentoo ! org>
Date:       2014-07-31 0:21:40
Message-ID: 20140731002140.GA29496 () toyama ! bonyari ! local
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On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 07:44:57PM -0400, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> On 07/30/14 17:18, Joseph Jezak wrote:
> > On 07/30/2014 06:26 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> >> On 07/29/14 22:16, Jack Morgan wrote:
> >>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 04:29:51PM -0400, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> >>>> On 07/26/14 09:44, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> >>>>> El sáb, 26-07-2014 a las 09:37 -0400, Anthony G. Basile escribió:
> >>>>>> On 07/26/14 09:28, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> >>>>>>> El sáb, 26-07-2014 a las 14:55 +0200, Andreas K. Huettel escribió:
> >>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 26. Juli 2014, 13:56:02 schrieb Pacho Ramos:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I guess we will need to wait for the next Council to 
> >>>>>>>>> officially decide
> >>>>>>>>> to do this as it will be a big change for ppc* users :/ (I 
> >>>>>>>>> remember
> >>>>>>>>> their action was needed for the move to testing of some arches 
> >>>>>>>>> and the
> >>>>>>>>> "package-by-package" proposal for others)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Also, I am not sure if any other arch teams (sparc, ia64?) 
> >>>>>>>>> would want to
> >>>>>>>>> get this policy too :| (I got ppc* because this concrete case ;))
> >>>>>>>> At first this is an arch team decision. No need for the council.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (Given that in this case there is a responsive and addressable 
> >>>>>>>> arch team...)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -- 
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Andreas K. Huettel
> >>>>>>>> Gentoo Linux developer
> >>>>>>>> dilfridge@gentoo.org
> >>>>>>>> http://www.akhuettel.de/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The problem is that blueness looks to be the only member currently
> >>>>>>> replying :/, I have checked their page and I see no team lead or
> >>>>>>> similar. Then, I am not sure how to get the ok to proceed or not 
> >>>>>>> :| (to
> >>>>>>> prevent this from getting stalled and we keep trying stabilizing 
> >>>>>>> all the
> >>>>>>> things).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I remember from older thread (one related with udev 
> >>>>>>> stabilization), that
> >>>>>>> blueness was also the only one replying.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yeah, not having a clear lead is a problem.  No one wants to just 
> >>>>>> make a
> >>>>>> big decision on behalf of the team without making sure everyone 
> >>>>>> is on
> >>>>>> board.  Pacho, do you have access to timberdoodle? If so, join both
> >>>>>> teams and just take the initiative and let any other "claimants" 
> >>>>>> step
> >>>>>> forward now.  BTW, taking the lead doesn't mean doing all the work
> >>>>>> yourself.  I want to see ppc/ppc64 in good shape.  I'll be happy to
> >>>>>> write scripts to do the demoting to ~ etc etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I don't even know about timberdoodle :(
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I forwarded the mail to both alias (as I forgot first time), then,
> >>>>> hopefully they will review it :/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Will CC them again to this just now with this link to allow all to 
> >>>>> read
> >>>>> the full thread:
> >>>>> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/92151
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> I think its clear who cares about ppc/ppc64.  If there are no
> >>>> objections, I'll take the lead of those teams and see this plan
> >>>> through.  I'll wait a few days for people to voice concerns. Then I'll
> >>>> start by generating a list of all stable and testing packages on 
> >>>> ppc and
> >>>> ppc64.  I'll post then and then continue the conversation on just the
> >>>> ppc and ppc64 lists.  Don't worry, I won't start dropping to ~ 
> >>>> until we
> >>>> have a concise plan and we're all on board.
> >>>   I don't think you can/should just take over the leadership of an 
> >>> arch.
> >>> Why not have meeting/discussion for team members. Especially since you
> >>> are proposing such a big change.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>
> >> Okay, any members of the ppc team please speak up.   I'll wait a week.
> >>
> > I'm still trying to escape from grad school and getting married this 
> > fall, so my contributions have been limited at best, which is why I've 
> > been shying away from throwing in my two cents. That said, while I'd 
> > rather not just remove stable keywords until there's a reason, I have 
> > no problem with dropping keywords for stuff that is holding up 
> > stabilization bugs if that's what it takes for things to move forward. 
> > If you'd like to have a meeting about it, that's fine too.
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> 
> Sure, let's meet.  I'd like to have jmorgan come too and any other 
> ppc/ppc64 members.  How does Monday Aug 4 at 20:00 UTC sound to people.  
> If not please counter propose a time.
 
This sounds fine for me. I'll be there. I've been away for a few months
but getting back to helping out. If the current lead isn't active, then
we should have a vote as to who should take over that role. Then discuss
how to proceed with the topics in this thread. 

Thanks for organizing this.



Cheers,`

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Jack Morgan
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