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List:       gentoo-dev
Subject:    [gentoo-dev] Re: Base profile changes should be announced/discussed on this list.
From:       Duncan <1i5t5.duncan () cox ! net>
Date:       2013-07-31 12:44:08
Message-ID: pan$8ac8d$329bc7a9$3fe2741d$6b517f9f () cox ! net
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Walter Dnes posted on Wed, 31 Jul 2013 05:53:50 -0400 as excerpted:

> Hold on a minute.  There is a *MAJOR* difference between "gpm" the USE
> flag, and sys-libs/gpm the mouse server.  I'm one of those weird guys
> who starts USE with "-*".

<aol>Me too.</aol>

> And I do not have "gpm" the USE flag enabled.

It's enabled here.

> I do, however, have sys-libs/gpm running just fine, thank you, minus the
> "gpm" flag.

Good point.

> If there was a move afoot to remove sys-libs/gpm from the install ISO,
> I would be part of the crowd up in arms about this.  But that's totally
> a separate item from the USE flag.

+=

> Since I've never used the gpm USE flag, I have to ask... what
> additional goodies does USE="gpm" bring to the table?  How exactly,
> does it improve things beyond the basic sys-libs/gpm?

equery hasuse gpm

... will tell you what packages on your system have the gpm USE flag.  

For me:

[IP-] [  ] app-misc/mc-4.8.9:0
[IP-] [  ] sys-libs/ncurses-5.9-r2:5
[IP-] [  ] www-client/links-2.7:2

It's certainly useful in mc, the reason I keep it on.  In links it's nice 
but I'm used to keyboard navigation, so it's no big deal.  I don't know 
what ncurses-based apps (other than links and mc) use it, but it has 
never caused me a problem, so...

So viewed from here, heavy mc users probably want it on, but for most 
others it's probably meh...

Which means the base profile USE flag change is arguably worthwhile.  
Anything that really needs the flag will be (re)installed later anyway, 
after people setup their own USE flags, and while I don't use the gentoo 
liveCD enough to have a real valid opinion on it, I doubt there's much 
either there or in the stage3 that really needs the flag on.

As you mention, having the actual package on the install medium remains 
useful, but that's an entirely separate question from what the USE flag 
default should be.

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman


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