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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: oldnet scripts splitting out from OpenRC
From: Carlos Silva <r3pek () r3pek ! org>
Date: 2013-04-25 0:05:36
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How about someone decide which is the best version and keep it integrated
in OpenRC? There's no best version? diff the two of them and merge what
matters. I mean, how many distros do you know that have two sets of init
scripts *just* to configure networking? I know Gentoo is about choice, but
this feels a little too much choice. What will I choose next? Someone can
decide that keymap needs a refactor and just fork it, of maybe hostname,
or <insert_some_stupid_but_*needed*_init_script_here>.
Just my 2 cents...
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina <
zerochaos@gentoo.org> wrote:
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> On 04/24/2013 07:17 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 06:34:46PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:16:51PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote
> >>
> >>> Considering our default configuration ships sshd (an argument we don't
> >>> need to rehash here), it seems a bit silly to not ship networking
> >>> support by default. I'd rather not do it as part of the system set,
> >>> though that would be consistent with what we're doing with ssh, and it
> >>> is still override-able.
> >> To handle the various possible cases, maybe we need a "virtual/net" as
> >> part of the system set, which can be satisfied by either oldnet or
> >> newnet or whatever. The install ISO will have a basic working network
> >> stack (IPV4+IPV6). After the initial install, the admin can do
> >> whatever. Maybe even invoke package.provided.
> >
> > This would actually be cleaner than a bogus dependency in OpenRC.
> > I would probably call it virtual/network-manager though.
> >
> You can't call it virtual/network-manager, that calls to mind, you know,
> net-misc/networkmanager. That's just too confusing imho. I wouldn't
> object to virtual/net, or pretty much anything else that isn't
> confusing. The net scripts are not a network manager, networkmanager,
> wicd, even wpa_supplicant would be things I would consider to be network
> managers.
>
> - -Zero
>
> > Are there any issues with putting together a virtual like this and
> > adding it to @system?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > William
> >
>
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<div dir="ltr">How about someone decide which is the best version and keep it \
integrated in OpenRC? There's no best version? diff the two of them and merge \
what matters. I mean, how many distros do you know that have two sets of init scripts \
*just* to configure networking? I know Gentoo is about choice, but this feels a \
little too much choice. What will I choose next? Someone can decide that keymap \
needs a refactor and just fork it, of maybe hostname, or \
<insert_some_stupid_but_*needed*_init_script_here>.<div>
<br></div><div style>Just my 2 cents...</div></div><div \
class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:32 \
PM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:zerochaos@gentoo.org" \
target="_blank">zerochaos@gentoo.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On 04/24/2013 07:17 PM, William Hubbs wrote:<br>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 06:34:46PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:<br>
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:16:51PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote<br>
>><br>
>>> Considering our default configuration ships sshd (an argument we \
don't<br> >>> need to rehash here), it seems a bit silly to not ship \
networking<br> >>> support by default. I'd rather not do it as part of \
the system set,<br> >>> though that would be consistent with what we're \
doing with ssh, and it<br> >>> is still override-able.<br>
>> To handle the various possible cases, maybe we need a \
"virtual/net" as<br> >> part of the system set, which can be \
satisfied by either oldnet or<br> >> newnet or whatever. The install ISO will \
have a basic working network<br> >> stack (IPV4+IPV6). After the initial \
install, the admin can do<br> >> whatever. Maybe even invoke \
package.provided.<br> ><br>
> This would actually be cleaner than a bogus dependency in OpenRC.<br>
> I would probably call it virtual/network-manager though.<br>
><br>
</div>You can't call it virtual/network-manager, that calls to mind, you \
know,<br> net-misc/networkmanager. That's just too confusing imho. I \
wouldn't<br> object to virtual/net, or pretty much anything else that \
isn't<br> confusing. The net scripts are not a network manager, \
networkmanager,<br> wicd, even wpa_supplicant would be things I would consider to be \
network<br> managers.<br>
<br>
- -Zero<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Are there any issues with putting together a virtual like this and<br>
> adding it to @system?<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> William<br>
><br>
<br>
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