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List:       gentoo-dev
Subject:    Re: [gentoo-dev] apache2 default for 2006.0
From:       Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2 () gentoo ! org>
Date:       2005-11-30 14:45:37
Message-ID: 1133361937.5990.11.camel () cgianelloni ! nuvox ! net
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On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 09:22 -0500, Michael Cummings wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > Here's the deal.  We have a new user that installs Gentoo.  After
> > installing Gentoo, he tries to "emerge nagios" and it dies on building
> > apache over a bug that has been known for some time and still isn't
> > resolved.  How exactly does that make us look?  How exactly does that
> > make Release Engineering look when a "default install" cannot even
> > install apache properly?  APACHE!!!  Whether we are responsible for
> > apache or not, we *are* responsible for the release.  Having things
> > completely broken in the default install is *not* acceptable.  The bug
> > was reported in June and while there has been some action in the bug, no
> > fix has been issued.  Again, this is *not* acceptable.  Now, because of
> > this, it is my determination that we have a serious problem that *will*
> > affect the 2006.0 release, and I am trying to do something proactive to
> > prevent it.
> > 
> 
> Case in point: I built a fresh, iso downloaded this weekend from w.g.o,
> and i failed to bring portage up to date before installing the stable
> apache2 - and what i got was broken because it was lacking the enewuser
> for apache (it built, installed, etc. - just couldn't run without either
> manually adding the user or syncing the dead-end box). And this was on a
> 100% stable box using the iso at
> http://bouncer.gentoo.org/?product=gentoo-2005.1-install-minimum&os=x86
> (link off the where page).

Thanks for the reminder... bug #114020... :P

Anyway, what I am suggesting would not have resolved this issue for you.

> OK, so I'm not bright for not syncing before starting emerging - but i
> can't imagine a new to gentoo user, not quite up with the "portage
> changes by the nanosecond" would think to sync after building from a livecd.

A new user would likely be reading the Handbook, which has the user
perform an emerge --sync (except for GRP).

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Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering - Strategic Lead
x86 Architecture Team
Games - Developer
Gentoo Linux

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