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List:       gentoo-desktop
Subject:    Re: [gentoo-desktop] Gnome Accessibility Toolkit
From:       Lindsay Haisley <fmouse-gentoo () fmp ! com>
Date:       2006-07-22 17:00:02
Message-ID: 20060722170002.GB7702 () fmp ! com
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Thus spake Rémi Cardona on Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 12:56:45AM CDT
> Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> >Thus spake Lindsay Haisley on Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 11:34:48PM CDT
> >>John,
> >>
> >>I got rid of "gailtreeview.c" errors and crashes by unmerging gail as 
> >>well as libgail and at-spi which I unmerged at your direction and which 
> >>got rid of most of the nasty crashes and freezes in gnome-panel.  I get 
> >>warnings from Gnome and gtk, but everything seems to be stable.
> >
> >I take it back.  Evolution won't run without gail.  xchat-2 won't run 
> >_with_ it.
> >
> 
> Gtkhtml (which is used by evo) needs gail. I don't know if your issue 
> with xchat is related to gail because I've been running xchat with gail 
> on my system for as long as I can remember.

There are a number of problems that show up only on my account on the box, 
which was working fine prior to last weekend when I upgraded to gnome 2.14, 
after which the system had serious problems.  I worked on the system for 
several hours with guidance from John Laliberte and we found one legacy gnome 
problem with the "start-here:///" scheme which was still in my local configs 
and causing a crash (freeze).  Subsequently, we eliminated a freeze-causing 
memory deallocation problem (calling free() on a NULL pointer, apparenlty), by 
unmerging at-spi.  I was left with a usable system and could then run evolution 
and _most_ other apps on which I depend for my work environment.  There were 
still some gnome-panel crashes and app crashes (related to assertion failures 
in gail's gailtreeview.c) which I could overcome by removing gail - but I 
backed out on that because evolution is more important than xchat :-)

There are other apps that fail as well.  I keep discovering them.

> Does revdep-rebuild -pv show any inconsistencies ?

No. (other than at-spi and libgail-gnome being missing, which I know about)

Rémi, your note re. running xchat with gail is significant.  As I've said here 
before, I have a test account on the box which is essentially virgin, and if I 
log into that account (gnome desktop) these problems don't occur, even with 
gail, libgail-gnome and at-spi merged.  Everything seems to run OK.

The quickest way for me to go, at this point, would be to salvage my contact 
list and appointment calendar from evolution (all my email is stored on imap 
servers elsewhere), salvage my galeon bookmarks, make extensive notes on my 
desktop setup, and start with a fresh account filespace.  This would probably 
solve _my_ problem, but there may well be systemic problems that mine are 
illustrating, and John would like to work these through to see if he can find 
out what's happening.  I'm happy to spend the extra time to do this if it will 
help make gnome a better piece in the long run.

With the exception of having temporarily unmerged the 2 packages noted above, 
my basic system is quite stock.  On the other hand, my personal account space 
goes back through several versions of gnome, and has a lot of legacy 
configuration things in it.  These seem to be the things which are causing 
problems.

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