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From:       David Lee <david.yi.lee () gmail ! com>
Date:       2012-03-12 5:37:12
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Same thing for us. Reverting the central gmetad to 3.1.7 (leaving all
nested gmetad at 3.2 - 3.3.1) goes back to the intended behavior (scalable
ON).

DL

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Vladimir Vuksan <vlists@veus.hr> wrote:

> I am suspecting support for tagging has something to do with this. I will
> need to look into it.
>
> Vladimir
>
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2012, Ozzie Sabina wrote:
>
> > I'm glad I remembered reading something about this here recently.  I
> added myself to Bug 324, but I figured I'd go ahead and echo the issue here
> as well.
> >
> > I'm on CentOS 5, same exact issue with 3.3.1 for only the aggregation
> gmetads: No summaries are produced unless "scalable off" is set, in which
> case the grids are combined into one, which is not what we want.
> >
> > Reverting them to 3.1.7 gets me back to working as designed.
> >
> > My debug output pattern is identical to that reported by Alexander (with
> 3.3.1 vs. 3.1.7).
> >
> > So it seems like 3.3.1 (3.2.0+) is unusable for grid summaries on at
> least several Unices.
> >
> > I suppose I could cross-post to the developer list, but is there anyone
> familiar with this code here that might be able to hand out some clue?  I'm
> happy to help in any way I can.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Oz
> >
> > On Feb 22, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Matthew Nicholson wrote:
> >> Yeah, telnetting to the "remote" gmetad's is just fine. Its as soon as
> >> I upgrade the gmetad talking to those, i stop getting info.
> >>
> >> Bug report time...
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Alexander Karner <AKA@de.ibm.com>
> wrote:
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>> Please check if your remote gmetad's export data by running
> >>> telnet <host> <xml port>
> >>>
> >>> --> I had a similar behaviour as I upgraded my central gmetad to
> 3.2.0. No
> >>> data was collected from the other grids but running the telnet command
> >>> returned a long list of XML data.
> >>> Switching back to 3.1.7 solved the problem.
> >>>
> >>> If your remote systems are able to export data on the XML port, your
> central
> >>> gmetad seems to have the same problem that I had
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From:        Matthew Nicholson <matthew.a.nicholson@gmail.com>
> >>> To:        ganglia-general@lists.sourceforge.net,
> >>> Date:        19.02.2012 19:07
> >>> Subject:        [Ganglia-general] nested grids questions/issues
> >>> ________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So, I recently inherited a large ganglia installation we use to
> >>> monitor out HPC cluster and associated services. Due to our module, we
> >>> have the needs to break our cluster and storage up into smaller
> >>> "clusters" that serve specific purposes, aggregate those into grids ,
> >>> and then those grids into another "master" level grid, though in one
> >>> case there is a 3rd level of grid aggregation.
> >>>
> >>> This is all unicast based, and we (I' sure I'll be told to do other
> >>> wise, but thats not an option currently), run ~55 gmond's and ~
> >>> gmetads on our "ganglia" box. Everything communicates to this on a
> >>> range of unicast ports.
> >>>
> >>> More info on our nesting:
> >>> Master(gmetad) -> 3 other gmetad's -> lots and lots of gmond's
> >>>                        -> 1 gmetad for storage -> 2 gmetads (lustre +
> >>> nfs) -> lots of gmonds
> >>>
> >>> Thats basically it.
> >>>
> >>> Okay, so this works. It is currently working, but, the gmetad's fall
> >>> over form time to time, and is running ganglia 3.1.4. We would like to
> >>> get everything up to 3.3.0/1, and update our web frontend as well.
> >>>
> >>> I've been updating the gmond's service side without issues, and the
> >>> immediate parent gmetads (that is, gmetad's that only collect from
> >>> gmond's) also without issue.
> >>>
> >>> However, as soon as I restart a gmetad that polls other gmetads (the
> >>> gmetad_storage, for example), I get no summary information at all. The
> >>> only change is I'm starting a different binary in the init script. It
> >>> runs/starts without error, and with debugging, I get:
> >>>
> >>> Going to run as user nobody
> >>> Sources are ...
> >>> Source: [NFS, step 15] has 1 sources
> >>>                 127.0.0.1
> >>> Source: [Lustre, step 15] has 1 sources
> >>>                 127.0.0.1
> >>> xml listening on port 8657
> >>> interactive xml listening on port 8658
> >>> cleanup thread has been started
> >>> Data thread 1168345408 is monitoring [NFS] data source
> >>>                 127.0.0.1
> >>> Data thread 1178835264 is monitoring [Lustre] data source
> >>>                 127.0.0.1
> >>>
> >>> Where, as, with the older, 3.1.4 binary:
> >>> Going to run as user nobody
> >>> Sources are ...
> >>> Source: [NFS, step 15] has 1 sources
> >>>                 127.0.0.1
> >>> Source: [Lustre, step 15] has 1 sources
> >>>                 127.0.0.1
> >>> xml listening on port 8657
> >>> interactive xml listening on port 8658
> >>> Data thread 1170368832 is monitoring [NFS] data source
> >>>                 127.0.0.1
> >>> Data thread 1180858688 is monitoring [Lustre] data source
> >>>                 127.0.0.1
> >>> cleanup thread has been started
> >>> [NFS] is a 2.5 or later data stream
> >>> hash_create size = 50
> >>> hash->size is 53
> >>> Found a <GRID>, depth is now 1
> >>> Found a </GRID>, depth is now 0
> >>> Writing Summary data for source NFS, metric
> >>> storage_local__nfs_cleanenergy1_size
> >>> Writing Summary data for source NFS, metric disk_free
> >>> Writing Summary data for source NFS, metric
> >>> storage_local__nfs_nobackup2_percent_used
> >>> Writing Summary data for source NFS, metric
> storage_local__itc1_percent_used
> >>> Writing Summary data for source NFS, metric
> storage_local__mnt_emcback7_size
> >>> Writing Summary data for source NFS, metric
> >>> storage_local__nfs_atlascode_size
> >>> Writing Summary data for source NFS, metric bytes_out
> >>> etc etc etc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I've been unable to find much on issues like this, no noted changes to
> >>> the way gmetad can read downstream gmetads, and no obvious config
> >>> options in 3.3.0.
> >>>
> >>> Am I missing something?
> >>> I'll happily provide gmetad configs if needed.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Matthew Nicholson
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Matthew Nicholson
> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
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Same thing for us. Reverting the central gmetad to 3.1.7 (leaving all nested gmetad \
at 3.2 - 3.3.1) goes back to the intended behavior (scalable \
ON).<div><br></div><div>DL<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at \
6:30 PM, Vladimir Vuksan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a \
href="mailto:vlists@veus.hr">vlists@veus.hr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br> <blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">I am suspecting support for tagging has something to do with \
this. I will<br> need to look into it.<br>
<br>
Vladimir<br>
<div><div class="h5"><br>
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012, Ozzie Sabina wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; I&#39;m glad I remembered reading something about this here recently.  I added \
myself to Bug 324, but I figured I&#39;d go ahead and echo the issue here as \
well.<br> &gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;m on CentOS 5, same exact issue with 3.3.1 for only the aggregation \
gmetads: No summaries are produced unless &quot;scalable off&quot; is set, in which \
case the grids are combined into one, which is not what we want.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; Reverting them to 3.1.7 gets me back to working as designed.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My debug output pattern is identical to that reported by Alexander (with 3.3.1 \
vs. 3.1.7).<br> &gt;<br>
&gt; So it seems like 3.3.1 (3.2.0+) is unusable for grid summaries on at least \
several Unices.<br> &gt;<br>
&gt; I suppose I could cross-post to the developer list, but is there anyone familiar \
with this code here that might be able to hand out some clue?  I&#39;m happy to help \
in any way I can.<br> &gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Oz<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Feb 22, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Matthew Nicholson wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Yeah, telnetting to the &quot;remote&quot; gmetad&#39;s is just fine. Its as \
soon as<br> &gt;&gt; I upgrade the gmetad talking to those, i stop getting info.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Bug report time...<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Alexander Karner &lt;<a \
href="mailto:AKA@de.ibm.com">AKA@de.ibm.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; Hi!<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Please check if your remote gmetad&#39;s export data by running<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; telnet &lt;host&gt; &lt;xml port&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; --&gt; I had a similar behaviour as I upgraded my central gmetad to \
3.2.0. No<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; data was collected from the other grids but running the \
telnet command<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; returned a long list of XML data.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Switching back to 3.1.7 solved the problem.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; If your remote systems are able to export data on the XML port, your \
central<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; gmetad seems to have the same problem that I had<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; From:        Matthew Nicholson &lt;<a \
href="mailto:matthew.a.nicholson@gmail.com">matthew.a.nicholson@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br> \
&gt;&gt;&gt; To:        <a \
href="mailto:ganglia-general@lists.sourceforge.net">ganglia-general@lists.sourceforge.net</a>,<br>
 &gt;&gt;&gt; Date:        19.02.2012 19:07<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject:        [Ganglia-general] nested grids questions/issues<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; ________________________________<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; So, I recently inherited a large ganglia installation we use to<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; monitor out HPC cluster and associated services. Due to our module, \
we<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; have the needs to break our cluster and storage up into \
smaller<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;clusters&quot; that serve specific purposes, aggregate \
those into grids ,<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; and then those grids into another \
&quot;master&quot; level grid, though in one<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; case there is a 3rd \
level of grid aggregation.<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; This is all unicast based, and we (I&#39; sure I&#39;ll be told to do \
other<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; wise, but thats not an option currently), run ~55 gmond&#39;s \
and ~<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; gmetads on our &quot;ganglia&quot; box. Everything \
communicates to this on a<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; range of unicast ports.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; More info on our nesting:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Master(gmetad) -&gt; 3 other gmetad&#39;s -&gt; lots and lots of \
gmond&#39;s<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;                        -&gt; 1 gmetad for storage -&gt; \
2 gmetads (lustre +<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; nfs) -&gt; lots of gmonds<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Thats basically it.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Okay, so this works. It is currently working, but, the gmetad&#39;s \
fall<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; over form time to time, and is running ganglia 3.1.4. We would \
like to<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; get everything up to 3.3.0/1, and update our web frontend as \
well.<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve been updating the gmond&#39;s service side without issues, and \
the<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; immediate parent gmetads (that is, gmetad&#39;s that only \
collect from<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; gmond&#39;s) also without issue.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; However, as soon as I restart a gmetad that polls other gmetads (the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; gmetad_storage, for example), I get no summary information at all. \
The<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; only change is I&#39;m starting a different binary in the init \
script. It<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; runs/starts without error, and with debugging, I get:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Going to run as user nobody<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Sources are ...<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Source: [NFS, step 15] has 1 sources<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;                 127.0.0.1<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Source: [Lustre, step 15] has 1 sources<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;                 127.0.0.1<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; xml listening on port 8657<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; interactive xml listening on port 8658<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; cleanup thread has been started<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Data thread 1168345408 is monitoring [NFS] data source<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;                 127.0.0.1<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Data thread 1178835264 is monitoring [Lustre] data source<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;                 127.0.0.1<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Where, as, with the older, 3.1.4 binary:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Going to run as user nobody<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Sources are ...<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Source: [NFS, step 15] has 1 sources<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;                 127.0.0.1<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Source: [Lustre, step 15] has 1 sources<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;                 127.0.0.1<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; xml listening on port 8657<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; interactive xml listening on port 8658<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Data thread 1170368832 is monitoring [NFS] data source<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;                 127.0.0.1<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Data thread 1180858688 is monitoring [Lustre] data source<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;                 127.0.0.1<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; cleanup thread has been started<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; [NFS] is a 2.5 or later data stream<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; hash_create size = 50<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; hash-&gt;size is 53<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Found a &lt;GRID&gt;, depth is now 1<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Found a &lt;/GRID&gt;, depth is now 0<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Writing Summary data for source NFS, metric<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; storage_local__nfs_cleanenergy1_size<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Writing Summary data for source NFS, metric disk_free<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Writing Summary data for source NFS, metric<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; storage_local__nfs_nobackup2_percent_used<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Writing Summary data for source NFS, metric \
storage_local__itc1_percent_used<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; Writing Summary data for source \
NFS, metric storage_local__mnt_emcback7_size<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; Writing Summary data \
for source NFS, metric<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; storage_local__nfs_atlascode_size<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Writing Summary data for source NFS, metric bytes_out<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; etc etc etc<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve been unable to find much on issues like this, no noted changes \
to<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; the way gmetad can read downstream gmetads, and no obvious \
config<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; options in 3.3.0.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Am I missing something?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;ll happily provide gmetad configs if needed.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Matthew Nicholson<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
 &gt;&gt;&gt; Virtualization &amp; Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/" \
target="_blank">http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/</a><br> &gt;&gt;&gt; \
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&gt;&gt;&gt; also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service.<br>
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target="_blank">http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/</a><br> &gt;&gt;&gt; \
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&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt; Matthew Nicholson<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
 &gt;&gt; Virtualization &amp; Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning<br>
&gt;&gt; Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing<br>
&gt;&gt; also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service.<br>
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target="_blank">http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/</a><br> &gt;&gt; \
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