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From: Omar Benbouazza <bvomar () gmail ! com>
Date: 2013-10-29 10:13:33
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Jeff, trust in The Guardian :P
Regards,
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2013/10/28 Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Joel Esler <joel.esler@me.com> wrote:
> > Obviously they expect you to surrender the info in the sake of simplici=
ty
> > and usefulness.
> >
> > They swear the can't read your stuff:
> > http://www.apple.com/apples-commitment-to-customer-privacy/
> :)
>
> Their own legal department tells us they are not trustworthy. Who do
> we believe: their legal department, or their press release?
>
> Jeff
>
>
> > On Oct 28, 2013, at 03:30 PM, PuNkErX w <punk3rx@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I usually lurk the list but here's my take on it. Using iCloud to sync
> > everything is stupid if you care about privacy. Unless you don't mind
> all
> > your info (especially now that you can sync the keychain....) being out
> > there.
> >
> > As an old Apple "fanboy" Im disgusted but not surprised with the
> direction
> > they went. Thats why i got out of the Apple work when 10.7 dropped.
> >
> > I host an old macbook with 10.6 server that has iCal and address book
> > services to sync stuff between 10.9 laptop, 10.6 laptop, iphone and ipa=
d.
> > It works for what i need but obviously it isnt for everyone.
> >
> > Im looking at other alternatives for all in one type deals but it seems
> > every "cloud" service pretty much sells your info in one shape way or
> form.
> >
> > So you dont need to use icloud at all but it appears you will need a
> third
> > party server to sync stuff. Yet another step back asswards for the
> > industry.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:43, silence_is_best@hushmail.com wrote:
> >
> > The functionality of syncing contacts/calendar is MISSING in
> > iTunes...gone...poof...Casper...out of luck....plug in your iDevice on
> the
> > latest, then check it out...you can sync photos and music, but nothing
> > else...it's a bad scene.
> >
> > On Monday, October 28, 2013 at 8:34 AM, "Joel Esler" <joel.esler@me.com=
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > What happens when you refuse to sign up for iCloud?
> >
> > <sent from my iCloud account>
> >
> > --
> > Joel Esler
> >
> >
> > On Oct 28, 2013, at 08:09 AM, silence_is_best@hushmail.com wrote:
> >
> > A warning (disclosure) to you Apple people....if you're planning to syn=
c
> > your shiny iDevice with Mavericks, you will be FORCED to use iCloud
> (syncing
> > from your iDevice to your iPuter is now gone). I suspect this is one o=
f
> the
> > reasons why Mavericks was a "free" upgrade. Apple probably figured the
> $40
> > they'd get from the sale of the OS is less then when they'd get with ha=
ve
> > your calendar and your contacts within easy reach. Per their policy:
> >
> > What personal information we collect
> >
> > When you create an Apple ID, register your products, apply for commerci=
al
> > credit, purchase a product, download a software update, register for a
> class
> > at an Apple Retail Store, or participate in an online survey, we may
> collect
> > a variety of information, including your name, mailing address, phone
> > number, email address, contact preferences, and credit card information=
.
> >
> > When you share your content with family and friends using Apple product=
s,
> > send gift certificates and products, or invite others to join you on
> Apple
> > forums, Apple may collect the information you provide about those peopl=
e
> > such as name, mailing address, email address, and phone number.
> >
> >
> > How we use your personal information
> >
> > The personal information we collect allows us to keep you posted on
> Apple=92s
> > latest product announcements, software updates, and upcoming events. It
> also
> > helps us to improve our services, content, and advertising.
> >
> >
> > Nice not to have choices ;)
> > _______________________________________________
> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
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> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
>
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<div dir="ltr"><div>Jeff, trust in The Guardian :P<br><br></div>Regards,<div \
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style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font color="#888888">---<br>
<span style="font-family:courier new,monospace">RootedCON V (2014) - <a \
href="http://www.rootedcon.es" target="_blank">www.rootedcon.es</a></span></font><span \
style="font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></span></span></font></span></div>
<span style="font-family:courier new,monospace"><font color="#888888"><span \
style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font \
color="#888888">@omarbv</font></span></font></span><br></div></div> <br><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">2013/10/28 Jeffrey Walton <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:noloader@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">noloader@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Joel Esler <<a \
href="mailto:joel.esler@me.com">joel.esler@me.com</a>> wrote:<br> > Obviously they expect \
you to surrender the info in the sake of simplicity<br> > and usefulness.<br>
><br>
> They swear the can't read your stuff:<br>
> <a href="http://www.apple.com/apples-commitment-to-customer-privacy/" \
target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/apples-commitment-to-customer-privacy/</a><br> \
</div>:)<br> <br>
Their own legal department tells us they are not trustworthy. Who do<br>
we believe: their legal department, or their press release?<br>
<br>
Jeff<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 03:30 PM, PuNkErX w <<a \
href="mailto:punk3rx@hotmail.com">punk3rx@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> ><br>
> I usually lurk the list but here's my take on it. Using iCloud to sync<br>
> everything is stupid if you care about privacy. Unless you don't mind all<br>
> your info (especially now that you can sync the keychain....) being out<br>
> there.<br>
><br>
> As an old Apple "fanboy" Im disgusted but not surprised with the direction<br>
> they went. Thats why i got out of the Apple work when 10.7 dropped.<br>
><br>
> I host an old macbook with 10.6 server that has iCal and address book<br>
> services to sync stuff between 10.9 laptop, 10.6 laptop, iphone and ipad.<br>
> It works for what i need but obviously it isnt for everyone.<br>
><br>
> Im looking at other alternatives for all in one type deals but it seems<br>
> every "cloud" service pretty much sells your info in one shape way or form.<br>
><br>
> So you dont need to use icloud at all but it appears you will need a third<br>
> party server to sync stuff. Yet another step back asswards for the<br>
> industry.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:43, <a \
href="mailto:silence_is_best@hushmail.com">silence_is_best@hushmail.com</a> wrote:<br> ><br>
> The functionality of syncing contacts/calendar is MISSING in<br>
> iTunes...gone...poof...Casper...out of luck....plug in your iDevice on the<br>
> latest, then check it out...you can sync photos and music, but nothing<br>
> else...it's a bad scene.<br>
><br>
> On Monday, October 28, 2013 at 8:34 AM, "Joel Esler" <<a \
href="mailto:joel.esler@me.com">joel.esler@me.com</a>><br> > wrote:<br>
><br>
> What happens when you refuse to sign up for iCloud?<br>
><br>
> <sent from my iCloud account><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Joel Esler<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 08:09 AM, <a \
href="mailto:silence_is_best@hushmail.com">silence_is_best@hushmail.com</a> wrote:<br> ><br>
> A warning (disclosure) to you Apple people....if you're planning to sync<br>
> your shiny iDevice with Mavericks, you will be FORCED to use iCloud (syncing<br>
> from your iDevice to your iPuter is now gone). I suspect this is one of the<br>
> reasons why Mavericks was a "free" upgrade. Apple probably figured the $40<br>
> they'd get from the sale of the OS is less then when they'd get with have<br>
> your calendar and your contacts within easy reach. Per their policy:<br>
><br>
> What personal information we collect<br>
><br>
> When you create an Apple ID, register your products, apply for commercial<br>
> credit, purchase a product, download a software update, register for a class<br>
> at an Apple Retail Store, or participate in an online survey, we may collect<br>
> a variety of information, including your name, mailing address, phone<br>
> number, email address, contact preferences, and credit card information.<br>
><br>
> When you share your content with family and friends using Apple products,<br>
> send gift certificates and products, or invite others to join you on Apple<br>
> forums, Apple may collect the information you provide about those people<br>
> such as name, mailing address, email address, and phone number.<br>
><br>
><br>
> How we use your personal information<br>
><br>
> The personal information we collect allows us to keep you posted on Apple’s<br>
> latest product announcements, software updates, and upcoming events. It also<br>
> helps us to improve our services, content, and advertising.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Nice not to have choices ;)<br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.<br>
> Charter: <a href="http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html" \
target="_blank">http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html</a><br> > Hosted and \
sponsored by Secunia - <a href="http://secunia.com/" \
target="_blank">http://secunia.com/</a><br> ><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.<br>
> Charter: <a href="http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html" \
target="_blank">http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html</a><br> > Hosted and \
sponsored by Secunia - <a href="http://secunia.com/" \
target="_blank">http://secunia.com/</a><br> ><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.<br>
> Charter: <a href="http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html" \
target="_blank">http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html</a><br> > Hosted and \
sponsored by Secunia - <a href="http://secunia.com/" \
target="_blank">http://secunia.com/</a><br> > \
_______________________________________________<br> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in \
it.<br> > Charter: <a href="http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html" \
target="_blank">http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html</a><br> > Hosted and \
sponsored by Secunia - <a href="http://secunia.com/" \
target="_blank">http://secunia.com/</a><br> ><br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.<br>
> Charter: <a href="http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html" \
target="_blank">http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html</a><br> > Hosted and \
sponsored by Secunia - <a href="http://secunia.com/" \
target="_blank">http://secunia.com/</a><br> <br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.<br>
Charter: <a href="http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html" \
target="_blank">http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html</a><br> Hosted and \
sponsored by Secunia - <a href="http://secunia.com/" \
target="_blank">http://secunia.com/</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>
_______________________________________________
Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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