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Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Save XP
From: Bill Stout <billbrietstout () yahoo ! com>
Date: 2008-01-31 18:56:51
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Tyler,
You're correct.
2009 Windows Se7en RTM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7
2012 Vista Basic EOL http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11731
2014 XP Home xEOL http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3221
2014 XP Pro xEOL http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223
2017 Vista Bus xEOL http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11707
2017 Vista Ent xEOL http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11737
Still, there's a big difference in lifecycle. XP was introduced in 2001, and planned EOL is \
2009 (eight year lifecycle). Vista was introduced in 2007, and planned EOL is 2012 (five year \
lifecycle). That's pretty short product lifecycle for a $10B* development effort.
*Ref: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003460386_btview04.html
Bill Stout
----- Original Message ----
From: Tyler Reguly <ht@computerdefense.org>
To: scott <redhowlingwolves@nc.rr.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:52:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Save XP
Sometimes I'm reminded of why Full Disclosure amuses me and why I stay subscribed
On 1/30/08, scott <redhowlingwolves@nc.rr.com> wrote:
Yes and MS quietly extended 98 for a few more years until they came out
with 2000.A much better OS than ME at the time,IMHO.
Windows ME Release Date: Sept. 14, 2000
Windows 2000 Release Date: Feb. 17, 2000
Windows 2000 was out half a year ahead of Windows ME... so something tells me they didn't \
"quietly extend 98 for a few more years until they came out with 2000"... even if you were \
talking XP (which was Oct 2001) it would be a year, not a few years.
Bill: You aren't being fair with our EOL dates. You are comparing XP Pro (Officially a business \
operating system) to Vista Home Premium (a Home operating System)... you have to compare XP Pro \
to a Business version of Vista and when you do that you get Vista Business with an EOL of 2017 \
( http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11707 ), 3 years after XP Pro.
Tyler.
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FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new \
roman, new york, times, serif">Tyler, </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times \
new roman, new york, times, serif"><BR>You're correct.</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; \
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FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">2009 Windows Se7en RTM <A \
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT \
color=#0000ff>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7</FONT></A> </DIV> <DIV \
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">2012 Vista Basic \
EOL <A href="http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11731">http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11731</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">2014 XP \
Home xEOL <A href="http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3221">http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3221</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">2014 \
XP Pro xEOL <A href="http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223">http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223</A><A \
href="http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&x=16&y=12&C2=1173" \
target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT color=#810081></FONT></A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; \
FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">2017 Vista Bus xEOL <A \
href="http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11707" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT \
color=#810081>http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11707</FONT></A></DIV> <DIV \
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">2017 Vista Ent \
xEOL <A href="http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11737">http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11737</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, \
serif"> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, \
serif">Still, there's a big difference in lifecycle. XP was introduced in 2001, and \
planned EOL is 2009 (eight year lifecycle). Vista was introduced in 2007, and planned EOL \
is 2012 (five year lifecycle). That's pretty short product lifecycle for a $10B* \
development effort.</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, \
times, serif"> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, \
times, serif">*Ref: <A \
href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003460386_btview04.html">http:// \
seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003460386_btview04.html</A></DIV> <DIV \
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> </DIV> <DIV \
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Bill Stout</DIV> \
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> </DIV> \
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- \
Original Message ----<BR>From: Tyler Reguly <ht@computerdefense.org><BR>To: scott \
<redhowlingwolves@nc.rr.com><BR>Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk<BR>Sent: Thursday, \
January 31, 2008 2:52:23 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Save XP<BR><BR>Sometimes I'm \
reminded of why Full Disclosure amuses me and why I stay subscribed<BR><BR> <DIV><SPAN \
class=gmail_quote>On 1/30/08, <B class=gmail_sendername>scott</B> <<A \
href="mailto:redhowlingwolves@nc.rr.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow \
ymailto="mailto:redhowlingwolves@nc.rr.com">redhowlingwolves@nc.rr.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN> \
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: \
rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Yes and MS quietly extended 98 for a few more years until they came \
out<BR>with 2000.A much better OS than ME at the time,IMHO.</BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR><BR>Windows \
ME Release Date: Sept. 14, 2000<BR>Windows 2000 Release Date: Feb. 17, 2000<BR><BR>Windows 2000 \
was out half a year ahead of Windows ME... so something tells me they didn't "quietly extend 98 \
for a few more years until they came out with 2000"... even if you were talking XP (which was \
Oct 2001) it would be a year, not a few years. <BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV>Bill: You aren't being \
fair with our EOL dates. You are comparing XP Pro (Officially a business operating system) to \
Vista Home Premium (a Home operating System)... you have to compare XP Pro to a Business \
version of Vista and when you do that you get Vista Business with an EOL of 2017 ( <A \
href="http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11707" target=_blank \
rel=nofollow>http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11707</A> ), 3 years after XP Pro. \
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