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List:       full-disclosure
Subject:    Re: [Full-disclosure] Cisco IOS Shellcode Presentation
From:       Micheal Espinola Jr <michealespinola () gmail ! com>
Date:       2005-07-31 15:54:36
Message-ID: acdc033d050731085463973b79 () mail ! gmail ! com
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persuasion by possible threat of action/retaliation is still
persuasion.  You aren't forced to do it.  Children world-wide are
taught right from wrong under this edict.

Given Lynn's statements to the press regarding his reasons to
cooperate, who's to say the level of coercion applied or required?

Your gun violence comparison is a bit over the top.


On 7/30/05, Steve Friedl <steve@unixwiz.net> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2005 at 05:16:15PM -0400, Micheal Espinola Jr wrote:
> > Coercion is simply influence.  You can be coerced into a choice, but
> > its still your choice - regardless if people like it or not.
> 
> This obliterates any distinction between "coercion" and "persuasion",
> so why bother to have separate words? When you claim that "I have a gun
> to your head" is the same as "pretty please with sugar on top", you
> mark yourself as having a stunning poverty of perspective.
> 
> Steve
> 
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