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List:       full-disclosure
Subject:    RE: [Full-Disclosure] FW: Citibank tries to gag crypto bug disclo
From:       John.Airey () rnib ! org ! uk
Date:       2003-02-26 23:24:04
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Looks to me like the story isn't gagged any longer: 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2798029.stm 

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John Airey, BSc (Jt Hons), CNA, RHCE 
Internet systems support officer, ITCSD, Royal National Institute of the
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Tel.: +44 (0) 1733 375299 Fax: +44 (0) 1733 370848 John.Airey@rnib.org.uk 

A world of difference - in the UK, 37 million people put their faith on the
last census as "Christian". In Saudi Arabia, this answer would carry a death
sentence for any Saudi.



> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Richard M. Smith [mailto:rms@computerbytesman.com] 
> Sent: 20 February 2003 23:39 
> To: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com 
> Subject: [Full-Disclosure] FW: Citibank tries to gag crypto bug 
> disclosure 
> 
> 
> From http://cryptome.org/pacc.htm 
> 
> To: ukcrypto@chiark.greenend.org.uk 
> Subject: Citibank tries to gag crypto bug disclosure 
> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:57:34 +0000 
> From: Ross Anderson <Ross.Anderson@cl.cam.ac.uk> 
> 
> Citibank is trying to get an order in the High Court today gagging 
> public 
> disclosure of crypto vulnerabilities: 
> 
>   http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/ftp/users/rja14/citibank_gag.pdf 
> 
> I have written to the judge opposing the order: 
> 
>   http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/ftp/users/rja14/citibank_response.pdf 
> 
> The background is that my student Mike Bond has discovered 
> some really 
> horrendous vulnerabilities in the cryptographic equipment 
> commonly used 
> to protect the PINs used to identify customers to cash machines: 
> 
>   http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/TechReports/UCAM-CL-TR-560.pdf 
> 
> These vulnerabilities mean that bank insiders can almost 
> trivially find 
> out the PINs of any or all customers. The discoveries happened while 
> Mike 
> and I were working as expert witnesses on a `phantom withdrawal' case. 
> 
> The vulnerabilities are also scientifically interesting: 
> 
>   http://cryptome.org/pacc.htm 
> 
> For the last couple of years or so there has been a rising tide of 
> phantoms. 
> I get emails with increasing frequency from people all over the world 
> whose 
> banks have debited them for ATM withdrawals that they deny 
> making. Banks 
> in 
> many countries simply claim that their systems are secure and so the 
> customers must be responsible. It now looks like some of these 
> vulnerabilities have also been discovered by the bad guys. Our courts 
> and 
> regulators should make the banks fix their systems, rather than just 
> lying 
> about security and dumping the costs  on the customers. 
> 
> Curiously enough, Citi was also the bank in the case that set 
> US law on 
> phantom withdrawals from ATMs (Judd v Citibank). They lost. I hope 
> that's 
> an omen, if not a precedent ... 
> 
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