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Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Bios limitation at 8 gb, and new hdd
From: john s wolter <johnswolter () wolterworks ! com>
Date: 2013-02-10 2:32:56
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I knew there was a limit but I had not recalled the BIOS aspect. The idea
of 64k clusters seems a bit large to me. FAT-32 and NTFS are more
efficient.
Cheers,
John S Wolter
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:58 PM, TJ Edmister <damage_x@hyakushiki.net> wrote=
:
> FAT16 can handle a 2GB partition (4GB partition can be created with
> Microsoft's FORMAT but support seems to be buggy)
>
> The ~500MB limit was actually a 1024 cylinders limit (CHS addressing) wit=
h
> older BIOSs. One workaround for this at the time was to divide down the
> number of cylinders to keep it under 1024 and increase the number of head=
s
> reported to DOS. Eventually we maxed out at 255 heads, hence the ~8GB lim=
it.
>
>
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 20:33:11 -0500, john s wolter <
> johnswolter@wolterworks.com> wrote:
>
> BS,
>>
>> Don't forget the FAT-16 limit of 514 or was that 504 MBytes. Somehow th=
is
>> issue keeps being asked. Maybe we are not doing enough to explain it
>> clearly.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John S Wolter
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Bob Schwier <schwepes2002@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey neat. I used Ontrack Disk Manager back in the eighties.
>>> bs
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Marco Achury <marcoachury@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* sakura kinomoto <like-a-moon@list.ru>; Discussion and general
>>> questions about FreeDOS. <freedos-user@lists.**sourceforge.net<freedos-=
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>>> >
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 9, 2013 6:59 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Freedos-user] Bios limitation at 8 gb, and new hdd
>>>
>>>
>>> On DOS this is a normal limitation.
>>>
>>> There a program "Ontrack Disk Manager" that help you to format big
>>> partitions.
>>>
>>> You can left 1 or 2 partitions for DOS (8 Gb each) and the remaining di=
sk
>>> you
>>> can use it with another operating system.
>>>
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>>>
>>> El 09/02/2013 06:48 a.m., sakura kinomoto escribi=C3=B3:
>>>
>>> Hi all!
>>> I have a PC 1996 year, and bought a hd
>>> d, Samsung sp0802n, (maybe 2005 year), with 80 gigabites
>>>
>>> But my bios can see only (first) 8 gigabites
>>> I am newbie, so, please, tell me, what software can help?
>>> Thanks for any hint!
>>>
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<font color="#000000"><font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I knew there was \
a limit but I had not recalled the BIOS aspect. The idea of 64k clusters seems a \
bit large to me. FAT-32 and NTFS are more efficient.</font></font></font><div>
<font color="#000000"><font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br \
clear="all"></font></font></font><div>Cheers,<br>John S Wolter<br></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:58 PM, TJ Edmister <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:damage_x@hyakushiki.net" \
target="_blank">damage_x@hyakushiki.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">FAT16 can handle a 2GB partition (4GB partition can be \
created with Microsoft's FORMAT but support seems to be buggy)<br>
<br>
The ~500MB limit was actually a 1024 cylinders limit (CHS addressing) with older \
BIOSs. One workaround for this at the time was to divide down the number of cylinders \
to keep it under 1024 and increase the number of heads reported to DOS. Eventually we \
maxed out at 255 heads, hence the ~8GB limit.<div class="im">
<br>
<br>
On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 20:33:11 -0500, john s wolter <<a \
href="mailto:johnswolter@wolterworks.com" \
target="_blank">johnswolter@wolterworks.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im"> BS,<br>
<br>
Don't forget the FAT-16 limit of 514 or was that 504 MBytes. Somehow this<br>
issue keeps being asked. Maybe we are not doing enough to explain it<br>
clearly.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
John S Wolter<br>
<br>
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Bob Schwier <<a \
href="mailto:schwepes2002@yahoo.com" target="_blank">schwepes2002@yahoo.com</a>> \
wrote:<br> <br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im"> Hey neat. I used Ontrack Disk Manager back \
in the eighties.<br> bs<br>
<br></div>
------------------------------<br>
*From:* Marco Achury <<a href="mailto:marcoachury@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">marcoachury@gmail.com</a>><br>
*To:* sakura kinomoto <<a href="mailto:like-a-moon@list.ru" \
target="_blank">like-a-moon@list.ru</a>>; Discussion and general<br> questions \
about FreeDOS. <<a href="mailto:freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net" \
target="_blank">freedos-user@lists.<u></u>sourceforge.net</a>><br>
*Sent:* Saturday, February 9, 2013 6:59 AM<br>
*Subject:* Re: [Freedos-user] Bios limitation at 8 gb, and new hdd<div \
class="im"><br> <br>
On DOS this is a normal limitation.<br>
<br>
There a program "Ontrack Disk Manager" that help you to format big<br>
partitions.<br>
<br>
You can left 1 or 2 partitions for DOS (8 Gb each) and the remaining disk<br>
you<br>
can use it with another operating system.<br>
<br>
--<br>
--<br>
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
Marco A. Achury<br>
Tel: <a href="tel:%2B58-%28212%29-6158777" value="+582126158777" \
target="_blank">+58-(212)-6158777</a><br>
Cel: <a href="tel:%2B58-%28414%29-3142282" value="+584143142282" \
target="_blank">+58-(414)-3142282</a><br></div>
Skype: marcoachuryhttp://<a href="http://www.achury.com.ve" \
target="_blank">www.achury.<u></u>com.ve</a><div class="im"><br> <br>
<br>
<br>
El 09/02/2013 06:48 a.m., sakura kinomoto escribió:<br>
<br>
Hi all!<br>
I have a PC 1996 year, and bought a hd<br>
d, Samsung sp0802n, (maybe 2005 year), with 80 gigabites<br>
<br>
But my bios can see only (first) 8 gigabites<br>
I am newbie, so, please, tell me, what software can help?<br>
Thanks for any hint!<br>
<br>
--------<br>
I love FreeDOS! :)<br>
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