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Subject: Re: [CREATE] [LGM] server migration of the IRC channel?
From: Nathan Willis <nwillis () glyphography ! com>
Date: 2021-05-24 16:26:13
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Yeah; I would also add that — regardless of whatever noble intentions the
Libre-Chat volunteers may have as people — so far, the new network's
backing project and organizational foundation seems worryingly vague and
undefined.
Which is, like, doubly ironic, considering that having an ad-hoc,
not-formally-defined structure was clearly one of the problems with
Freenode that led to the present situation.
But even if it wasn't for that, jumping ship to a new service provider that
doesn't have a clear structure seems super risky.
Nate
On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 5:20 PM Alexandre Prokoudine <
alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Given the contradictory statements between the two parties of the
> conflict, why would anyone make rushed judgements?
>
> Alex
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 6:41 PM Timothée Giet <animtim@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Some of you probably followed the story, some may not... To make it
> short:
> > -Most (if not all) of the volunteer staff running the freenode IRC
> > server have resigned because of a conflict with a company that took-over
> > the network.
> > (more info here: https://www.kline.sh/ )
> > -They created a new network to replace it: libera.chat
> >
> > Lots of projects and communities already migrated to libera, or other
> > networks.
> >
> > So first, the big question is:
> > -Should we officially migrate the #lgm channel there?
> > The biggest concern I've read against doing this right now is that
> > libera is not yet bridged to matrix, so it can be an issue for those who
> > want to rely on it to have a persistent log independent from their
> > connection.
> > Though such bridge is underway
> > (https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/1324), but
> > may not be ready before the conference.
> >
> > The second point is about the conference this week:
> > As last year we intend to have the main discussion channel of the
> > conference on IRC (at #lgm-online, keeping #lgm for side discussions).
> > Considering the situation with freenode, I would feel less comfortable
> > using it for the conference.
> >
> > So we plan to use the libera server at least for the conference. To be
> > safe I already registered #lgm and #lgm-online channels on libera.
> > I hope this won't be a problem. If there is strong disagreement we may
> > stay on freenode for the event, but it would be better to be allowed to
> > move to libera for this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Timothée
> >
> >
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<div dir="ltr"><div>Yeah; I would also add that — regardless of whatever noble \
intentions the Libre-Chat volunteers may have as people — so far, the new \
network's backing project and organizational foundation seems worryingly vague \
and undefined. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Which is, like, doubly ironic, \
considering that having an ad-hoc, not-formally-defined structure was clearly one of \
the problems with Freenode that led to the present \
situation.</div><div><br></div><div>But even if it wasn't for that, jumping ship \
to a new service provider that doesn't have a clear structure seems super \
risky.</div><div><br></div><div>Nate</div><div><br></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 5:20 PM \
Alexandre Prokoudine <<a \
href="mailto:alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com">alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br> <br>
Given the contradictory statements between the two parties of the<br>
conflict, why would anyone make rushed judgements?<br>
<br>
Alex<br>
<br>
On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 6:41 PM Timothée Giet <<a href="mailto:animtim@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">animtim@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> ><br>
> Hello,<br>
><br>
> Some of you probably followed the story, some may not... To make it short:<br>
> -Most (if not all) of the volunteer staff running the freenode IRC<br>
> server have resigned because of a conflict with a company that took-over<br>
> the network.<br>
> (more info here: <a href="https://www.kline.sh/" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://www.kline.sh/</a> )<br> > -They created a new network to \
replace it: libera.chat<br> ><br>
> Lots of projects and communities already migrated to libera, or other<br>
> networks.<br>
><br>
> So first, the big question is:<br>
> -Should we officially migrate the #lgm channel there?<br>
> The biggest concern I've read against doing this right now is that<br>
> libera is not yet bridged to matrix, so it can be an issue for those who<br>
> want to rely on it to have a persistent log independent from their<br>
> connection.<br>
> Though such bridge is underway<br>
> (<a href="https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/1324" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/1324</a>), \
but<br> > may not be ready before the conference.<br>
><br>
> The second point is about the conference this week:<br>
> As last year we intend to have the main discussion channel of the<br>
> conference on IRC (at #lgm-online, keeping #lgm for side discussions).<br>
> Considering the situation with freenode, I would feel less comfortable<br>
> using it for the conference.<br>
><br>
> So we plan to use the libera server at least for the conference. To be<br>
> safe I already registered #lgm and #lgm-online channels on libera.<br>
> I hope this won't be a problem. If there is strong disagreement we may<br>
> stay on freenode for the event, but it would be better to be allowed to<br>
> move to libera for this.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> Timothée<br>
><br>
><br>
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target="_blank">Libre-graphics-meeting@lists.freedesktop.org</a><br> > <a \
href="https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libre-graphics-meeting" \
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">nathan.p.willis<br><a \
href="mailto:nwillis@glyphography.com" target="_blank">nwillis@glyphography.com</a><a \
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