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List:       freedesktop-create
Subject:    Re: [CREATE] consensus constitency persistence
From:       ricardo lafuente <bollecs () sollec ! org>
Date:       2010-08-22 9:45:28
Message-ID: 4C70F1B8.3050303 () sollec ! org
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No, you're right.

Yours are fair points and it's definitely preferable to have something 
be done than shooting down intentions prematurely. I'm okay with moving 
forward with this.

On 08/22/2010 03:33 AM, Yuval Levy wrote:
> On August 21, 2010 12:49:11 pm ricardo lafuente wrote:
>> On 08/19/2010 11:41 PM, Yuval Levy wrote:
>>> I hope by "you" you mean all people/projects represented on this ML.  I
>>> am reading/listening.
>>
>> I did mean you -- Yuval -- since you put forward a concrete motion to
>> reach consensus. I think there's a tacit meaning in posting to mailing
>> lists like this one that anyone's thoughts and comments are welcome.
>> These exchanges are never simple dialogues.
>
> If you have followed the discussion about the 2010 visuals you know that I was
> strongly against them.  For the same reason I now applaud Louis adoption of
> those same visuals for 2011 and I hope 2012 will be an evolution rather than
> the revolution we have seen every second year (i.e. every year when LGM was
> not managed by Louis).  Bravo Louis!
>
> An intended, planned, managed process changing the visual appearance can be
> codified as part of an identity; or even as the centerpiece of it if you so
> desire.  If this is your identity, so be it.  This is not what I see now.
> What I see now is improvisation.
>
> I'd like to raise awareness to the full cost of such an identity:  it's not
> just the dissipation of energy and the diversion from core issues.  It's also
> a reset of the recognition value and affects critical tasks.
>
> No identity, corporate or otherwise, is set in stone.  The process of changing
> it is so costly that even the more selfish of leaderships will first make sure
> it can afford the disruption.  Not codifying the identity does not eliminate
> these cost.  It just hides them.
>
> There is at least one good example of an orderly evolving identity in the
> FLOSS world: Ubuntu.  Learn from it!  Their visuals change every six month but
> the lineage is never broken.  It is carefully crafted evolution, not
> revolution.  The pace of visual change is adapted to the pace and dynamics of
> the project / organization.
>
> So, now that I wasted some more time/energy (yours and mine) that could have
> been used to:
> - fix a bug
> - support a user
> - write a tutorial
> - translate a few strings
> - just have fun with private creations
> - testing the waters for a repeat of http://www.uwivi.com/ in 2011
>
> You will excuse me, Ricardo, if I am not inclined to deconstruct your
> arguments one by one.  Let's just agree to disagree.  Good luck to you with
> your projects.
>
> Yuv
>
>
>
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