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Subject:    Re: [OFF-TOPIC] A real programmer would not stoop to wasting machine capacity to do the assembly as 
From:       "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler () tysdomain ! com>
Date:       2014-12-19 18:18:30
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On 12/19/2014 9:21 AM, françai s wrote:
> Is true that a real programmer would not stoop to wasting machine capacity
> to do the assembly?

Is true that a real troll wouldn't stoop to waste bandwidth but to do the real work?
 2014-12-19 11:52 GMT-02:00 françai s <romapera15@gmail.com>:

>> [quote="http://worrydream.com/dbx/"]
>> Reactions to SOAP and Fortran
>> Richard Hamming -- The Art of Doing Science and Engineering, p25 (pdf book)
>>
>> In the beginning we programmed in absolute binary... Finally, a Symbolic
>> Assembly Program was devised -- after more years than you are apt to
>> believe during which most programmers continued their heroic absolute
>> binary programming. At the time [the assembler] first appeared I would
>> guess about 1% of the older programmers were interested in it -- using
>> [assembly] was "sissy stuff", and a real programmer would not stoop to
>> wasting machine capacity to do the assembly.
>>
>> Yes! Programmers wanted no part of it, though when pressed they had to
>> admit their old methods used more machine time in locating and fixing up
>> errors than the [assembler] ever used. One of the main complaints was when
>> using a symbolic system you do not know where anything was in storage --
>> though in the early days we supplied a mapping of symbolic to actual
>> storage, and believe it or not they later lovingly pored over such sheets
>> rather than realize they did not need to know that information if they
>> stuck to operating within the system -- no! When correcting errors they
>> preferred to do it in absolute binary.
>>
>> FORTRAN was proposed by Backus and friends, and again was opposed by
>> almost all programmers. First, it was said it could not be done. Second, if
>> it could be done, it would be too wasteful of machine time and capacity.
>> Third, even if it did work, no respectable programmer would use it -- it
>> was only for sissies!
>>
>>
>> John von Neumann's reaction to assembly language and Fortran
>> John A.N. Lee, Virginia Polytechnical Institute
>>
>> John von Neumann, when he first heard about FORTRAN in 1954, was
>> unimpressed and asked "why would you want more than machine language?" One
>> of von Neumann's students at Princeton recalled that graduate students were
>> being used to hand assemble programs into binary for their early machine.
>> This student took time out to build an assembler, but when von Neumann
>> found out about it he was very angry, saying that it was a waste of a
>> valuable scientific computing instrument to use it to do clerical
>> work.[/quote]
>>
>> If is true that a real programmer would not stoop to wasting machine
>> capacity to do the assembly, is an unfortunate fact the real programmers do
>> use to wasting machine capacity to do the assembly, compilers...
>>
>>
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