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Subject:    Re: [fossil-users] Using ticket system from command line
From:       renework <renework () xs4all ! nl>
Date:       2010-05-16 11:15:49
Message-ID: 1e97854b9116930a58092cc34542ac16 () xs4all ! nl
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On Sat, 15 May 2010 07:11:35 -0400, Richard Hipp <drh@sqlite.org> wrote:
> On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Gour  wrote:
>  On Sat, 15 May 2010 11:30:40 +0100
>  >>>>>> "Eric" == "Eric" wrote:
> 
>  Eric> > Otherwise, lack of standard wiki
>  Eric>
>  Eric> I continue to be amazed by all this nonsense about the wiki.
> 
>  s/standard/complete/g
> 
> HTML is not "complete" enough?  What do you want to do (or for that
> matter what does any other wiki system do) that you can't do (in a more
> "standard" way, I should add) with HTML?
Your right it can be done But I prefer this
|c table caption
|=2 head                                                                  
     |= head
| data|
[[http://bouml.free.fr/|{{http://bouml.free.fr/images/bouml_titre.gif}}]]|
data
| data| {{http://bouml.free.fr/images/bouml_titre.gif|bouml image}}       
     | data

over this

<table class="wikitable">
  <caption>table caption</caption>
  <tr class="wikithead">
    <th class="wikitcolh9" colspan="2">head</th>
    <th class="wikitcolh9">head</th>
  </tr>
  <tr class="wikitrow1">
    <td class="wikitcold1">data</td>
    <td class="wikitcold1"><a href="http://bouml.free.fr/"><img
src="http://bouml.free.fr/images/bouml_titre.gif"></a></td>
    <td class="wikitcold1">data</td>
  </tr>
  <tr class="wikitrow0">
    <td class="wikitcold0">data</td>
    <td class="wikitcold0"><img
src="http://bouml.free.fr/images/bouml_titre.gif" alt="bouml image"></td>
    <td class="wikitcold0">data</td>
  </tr>
</table>

Because the html generator can do stuff for you. 
But it doesn't have to be a HTML generator. It could be docbook, odf, rtf,
etc

Using HTML directly should be a last resort in a wiki capable system.

> 
> The philosophy of Fossil Wiki is to provide simple and common wiki-style
> markup to accomplish 90% of what you need, then allow the use of HTML
for
> the other 10%.  HTML is seen as superior to increasingly arcane Wiki
> formatting for the complicated stuff because (1) most programmers
already
> know HTML so there is nothing new to learn, (2) HTML is a standard, and
> (3) HTML allows you to do just about whatever you want to do in a web
> browser - it is "complete".  You can disagree with the design choice
> here.  But please distinguish between a lack of understanding and a
> disagreement.

I disagree over the 90%. And that's the heart of the matter. Fossil
supports wiki syntax.
That set an expectation which isn't met.

    Bullet Lists. A bullet list item is a line that begins with a single
"*" character 
It is not common to have
          ==> "surrounded on both sides by two or more spaces or by a tab"
          ==>  Only a single level of bullet list is supported by wiki.
For nested lists, use HTML.

The other odd thing are the tags <nowiki> and <verbatim>.
These are not in html and wiki system uses something like {{{nowiki}}} or
{{{
verbatim
}}}


My advice to remove the usage of the word wiki from fossil or change it to
html(wiki) 
and the conflict is gone.

Rene

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